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Old 09-01-2004, 05:33 PM
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First off I am not a gun control advocate nor am I a gun nut. I personally do not own anything other than the pellet gun I received for my 15 birthday years ago. I am however a concerned citizen of this country. I have gone hunting and personally did not care for it am more of a fishing man. My point is however that too many people advocate for more and more gun control laws that are getting costly to enforce and harder to regulate to the point where it's hurting manufacture's who create job's and gun buyer's who are US citizen's. I feel that we should demand that our government more heavily enforce the law's that are own the book's. Make sure that the current gun control laws and programs are being fully enforced and funded before you start adding newer and more costly thing's into the mix.

We also need to put an end to NRA scare tactic's. The government isn't trying to take away anyone's write to own a gun. If you believe that there might be a little something missing upstairs's. The government is however, trying to limit the types of gun available to buy for normal citizen's. I personally feel that this is rightfully so. Why does anyone need a .50 caliber anything for hunting. I think we should face facts that some weapon's just aren't necessary to have for any sort of personal usage except for the fact that we might just want it. That as we well know is not enough to justify it.

Lastly, I must say I am glad that the political election this year did not turn to gun's and insite the usual ignorances of the past. So in summary my fellow Americans I support the our second amendment right to bare arms, I believe that personal weapons can play a useful role in self-protection and life, I believe that we should focus own heavily enforcing the laws and regulations already own our books before we get into any new one's, and lastly I feel the federal government not only has the right but the responsibility to filter out certain weapons that should not be own the public market I just think it should be a panel of NRA, GOV, and INDP. experts that do it not senator's and congressman).
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I couldn't agree with you more. I couldn't have said it better myself, my hat is off to you. I AM a gun enthusiast, not to be confused with the extreme gun zealots, and i think that the laws currently in place need to be enforced.
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First off I am not a gun control advocate nor am I a gun nut.
This is a gun hater catch phrase.


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I feel that we should demand that our government more heavily enforce the law's that are own the book's.
The problem with this gun hater catch phrase is the gun laws on the books are the gun law people defending the right to bear arms have a problem with.

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We also need to put an end to NRA scare tactic's. The government isn't trying to take away anyone's write to own a gun. If you believe that there might be a little something missing upstairs's.
Gee two types of guns banned and more and more gun control laws that criminals DO NOT OBEY and yet gun haters can say the above quote. Gee just what scare tactics is the NRA using?

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Why does anyone need a .50 caliber anything for hunting.
The 2nd amend is not about hunting. It is about the right to bear arms.

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I think we should face facts that some weapon's just aren't necessary to have for any sort of personal usage except for the fact that we might just want it.
Interesting how this logic is not applied to the 1st amend. A lot of people read books simply because they want to read them, not because of some so-called reason to read books.

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I feel the federal government not only has the right but the responsibility to filter out certain weapons that should not be own the public market
When a gun hater uses this catch phrase, it is a warning to all people that this person has a problem with the right to bear arms.

GUN CONTROL LAWS HAVE NO EFFECT ON CRIMINALS. WOULD YOU LIKE TO KNOW WHY? SIMPLE, CRIMINALS DO NOT OBEY GUN CONTROL LAWS!

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I AM a gun enthusiast, not to be confused with the extreme gun zealots,
The only zealots are the people demanding limits on a right such as gun haters.
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No that's not the gun hater catch phrase. If you think that I hate gun's than you are perhaps one of the simplest people in the world and have no ability to read and comprehend what so ever. However, I won't hold you in this ignorance. Yes, I use hunting as a references b/c a lot of people with gun's use them more for hunting than personal protection any idiot know's that so I will assume you do also. And No one is trying to take your love or right of owing a gun away from you. Once again if you think that's true blank slate up there somewhere, the government is seeking to regulate the types of guns for sale. THIS IS NOT A BAD THING. Book's don't kill people directly in any case. A stolen book isn't going to end up as a murder weapon. Drug's however can kill and what does the government do for that??? Oh ya they regulate the one's you can an can not sell.

Also just b/c something is a right in the Constitution doesn't mean that right can't be limited. We have the right to free speech but we can't just lie on people, we have the right to assemble freely but we just can't show up in thousands w/o notice, so let that dog rest it's almost dead anyway. I defend your and every law abating citizen's right to bare arms, I just don't think that arm's should be left to whatever a person can afford to buy.
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No that's not the gun hater catch phrase.
Every thing you spewed is a gun hater catch phrase. As for your insults, addressing them would lower myself to your level.

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Yes, I use hunting as a references b/c most people with gun's use them more for hunting than personal protection any idiot know's that so I will assume you do also.
The 2nd amend is not about hunting or defense. It is about the right to bear arms. The only reason the 2nd amend gives to bear arms is it is your right, nothing else but that! Gun haters like you need to place the limit of hunting or self defense on it.

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No one is trying to take your love or right of owing a gun away from you.
This gun hater catch phrase is one of the most used. HCI(handgun control inc) now VPC Violence prevention Center) uses it every day to attack the right to bear arms. VPC started out to ban just cheap handguns. Visit their web page and you will now seen a demand to ban all handguns, and most rifles. Gun haters will use lies to push their agenda of banning the right to bear arms.

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Book's don't kill people directly in any case.
You may wish to read up on t he book called “hitman”. The publisher of this book was taken to court and lost because a person used what was in this book to kill his ex-wife and child.

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Sir you clearly have *PERSONAL INSULT REMOVED*. I can assure you that your simply talking to me has raised you to a higher level of thinking than you are accustomed to. However, if it makes you feel good to avoid truth and call someone with different views than your own a gun hater by all means continue. You have my permission to post your rants on here anytime you like, so that people may see exactly how stupid and false some of our arguments can be. *PERSONAL INSULT REMOVED*. But I respect that fact that you try.

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Sir you clearly have the intellect of a small child and the vocabulary to match it.
Gun haters resort to insults because they cannot defend their argument.

So gun haters please provide one gun control law that is already on the books that criminals obey.

If you can gun haters try this without resorting to insults.
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Gun haters resort to insults because they cannot defend their argument.

So gun haters please provide one gun control law that is already on the books that criminals obey.

If you can gun haters try this without resorting to insults.
My God, how simple of a person are you? They are criminals for the fact that they do not obey the gun laws. Is that too difficult for you to understand? pre-school children understand something that simple. I truly feel sorry for you and your *PERSONAL INSULT REMOVED*. Thank you.

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My God, how simple of a person are you? They are criminals for the fact that they do not obey the gun laws.
More insults from the gun hating troll. Hey gun hating troll it was a simple question can you answer it?

I can think of only one gun control law that criminals obey.
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My God, how simple of a person are you? They are criminals for the fact that they do not obey the gun laws.
More insults from the gun hating troll. Hey gun hating troll it was a simple question can you answer it?

I can think of only one gun control law that criminals obey.
Criminals don't obey laws, that is why they are criminals. Law biding citizens do obey laws, that is why they are not criminals. Do you need it explained better?
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