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Old 09-11-2004, 04:55 PM
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..I just don't understand these "suits" on Capitol Hill. If Police Chiefs and Doctors and majority of Americans want the ban extended, why are the Republican leaders in Congress not heeding this call?

http://www.hillnews.com/news/090704/gun.aspx

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5946127/

Is this the proof that the NRA is one of the few organizations/lobbyists that have such a deep deep influence with our leaders?
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..I just don't understand these "suits" on Capitol Hill. If Police Chiefs and Doctors and majority of Americans want the ban extended, why are the Republican leaders in Congress not heeding this call?

http://www.hillnews.com/news/090704/gun.aspx

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5946127/

Is this the proof that the NRA is one of the few organizations/lobbyists that have such a deep deep influence with our leaders?
Don't know. I find myself thinking the same way about a ban on gay marriages and a ban on partial birth abortion. Since the majority of Americans want it banned.........why isn't the Congress heeding their call??? I support ALL 3 things that the majority of American want.
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Looks like Munko's "majority" argument doesn't even hold water:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/South/05/....ap/index.html
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If Police Chiefs and Doctors and majority of Americans want the ban extended, why are the Republican leaders in Congress not heeding this call?
The majority of Americans oppose homosexual marriage.

Is lack of a ban on such proof that the homosexual agenda is in full force?
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I guess Democrats and liberals want bans on things that they are against....using the "majority rules" as their argument. They are apparently NOT for bans on things that they are FOR.....even when the majority of Americans want it.

It's called "liberal logic" which is really no logic at all.
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liberal logic = emotional logic

Which is an oxymoron.
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Default Despite the stupid arguments of some liberals...

...it's not about "majority rules." It's about a deep liberal belief that "just because it says it in the constitution doesn't make it moral." According to liberal rationale gay marriage makes sense. According to liberal rationale protecting people from guns by giving them more guns does not make sense. Apparently, back when the constitution was written some of it's signers were big into guns. (Hey, they had won the war with them a few years before, and how else are you gonna get food?)

But that need for guns no longer exists. There's no point in letting people have guns. Problem is, any gun ban will just be another Prohibition, going completely ignored by the gun industry's main consumer base who care quite little about the law.

Despite that, the bans should still be put in place, if not as an effective tool then as a statement of opposition to gun violence.

Yes, you can argue that following my argument there are ways that abortion does not make sense, and gay marriage does not make sense. Guess what? No matter what makes sense, the policy-makers on Capitol Hill are suprisingly simpleminded, and care surprisingly little about the effect their decisions have on ordinary people. Just because it's in the Constitution, doesn't make it right.
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Old 09-13-2004, 04:33 AM
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But that need for guns no longer exists.
I completely disagree. Every need for firearms recognized by our founding fathers still exists today.

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There's no point in letting people have guns.
Save all the same points that have been evident throughout our history.

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Problem is, any gun ban will just be another Prohibition, going completely ignored by the gun industry's main consumer base who care quite little about the law.
False. The gun industry's main consumer base is the average gun-owner, and there's little reason save personal prejudice to believe they "care quite little about the law."
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...Kerry seems to always be on the wrong side of every issue. Today he is campaigning about crime in America. Well read it and weep Johnny boy, crime as at it's lowest levels ever.

The liberals say this ban is absolutely critical, I guess they better tell that to France, our true friends, you know the one's that have been selling all the weapons to Saddam and the rest of his terrorist ilk, as of up until January 2003.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/cvict.htm

Here is the French connection:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/natio...3000-1796r.htm
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If they want useful gun control, they should definitely make something other than this assault rifle ban. I found the ban silly because it outlaws basically the extras on a gun. You can buy the same gun, but without the bigger clip, muzzle flash suppressor, etc. But it did nothing to outlaw the actual gun. I don't see how this law had any impact what so ever.
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