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Old 07-15-2005, 05:01 PM
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This militia myth has gun haters and some pro right to bear arms people defending gun control laws.

Gun haters.
Gun haters say the 2nd amend states a well regulated militia. The gun haters state the well regulated militia part of the 2nd amend gives the gun haters the right to defend gun control laws. The gun haters feel using the well regulated part means they can ban and restrict what type of arms Americans can have. The gun haters also feel they can tell militias what type of arms they can have. The gun haters could using the militia myth to prescribe some if not all militias to be used for things other then armed troops. That means the gun haters could regulated militias to duties that did not requires the people in them to have arms.

The right to bear arms people that defend gun control laws.
This group of people uses the well regulated militia part to defend the right to bear arms because they are in a militia. This group of people say that the well regulated part means they can prescribe what type of arms and training they need to maintain a militia. This group of people continually claim all people are in a militia.
Now the problem with this group of people is some people in this group contend that the only arms militia are allowed are small arms. Thus this would be an infringement on the right to bear arms. But the 2nd amend does not mention small arms, it simply states arms.

The problem with both groups of people defending gun control laws is simple. No where in the 2nd amend or constitution does it state a person must be in a militia to bear arms. That would be an infringement.
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Your bad grammar and over-wordy sentence structure has rendered it completely impossible for me to understand what you are trying to say. Please proofread and simplify.
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Dhard... You really should use quotation marks to help people decipher what you're trying to write...

For instance...

The "right to bear arms" people that defend gun control laws.

Then again... Never mind.
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This group of people continually claim all people are in a militia.
What exactly is wrong with this statement??? If all people are part of "the militia" then there is no basis for real infringment.... Because then there is no such thing as a civillian... [/quote]
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While the original poster might not be the poster boy for spelling and grammar, the point of communication is to communicate. If people that are complaning about him are HONESTLY unable, intellectually, to see what he means, well, hes not the only one with a problem.

To answer his question;
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United States Constitution, The Bill of Rights, The Second Amendment

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

United States Constitution, Section 8. The Congress shall have Power…

Clause 15: To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

Clause 16: To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
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US Code Section 311. Militia: composition and classes

(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are commissioned officers of the National Guard.

(b) The classes of the militia are-- (1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and (2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.
That should about do it.
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Article I of the Constitution also explains it.....
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A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
One of the first things the US military did after liberating Iraq was demand that people, even the law-abiding, turn over their firearms. So let me get this straight, a well regulated militia is necessary for the security of a free State, except when the US conquers you. HAHAHAhahaha... the irony.
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The truth is the right to bear arms is not necessary for security of a free State, that is why no other country grants the right to bear arms and the US even chooses not to spread its most ridiculous right to the countries it frees.
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Oh yes, I doubt the Jews ever wanted their guns. Its all by chance that they, along with 140 million dead Soviets were disarmed before being killed.
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One of the first things the US military did after liberating Iraq was demand that people, even the law-abiding, turn over their firearms. So let me get this straight, a well regulated militia is necessary for the security of a free State, except when the US conquers you. HAHAHAhahaha... the irony.
The Constitution doesn't apply to people in Iraq. A total non sequitor.
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The truth is the right to bear arms is not necessary for security of a free State, that is why no other country grants the right to bear arms and the US even chooses not to spread its most ridiculous right to the countries it frees.
You are probably the most foolish, ignorant person that I've ever debated with. You aren't Alex123 from the Shroomery, are you? You'd love him.

I'm done with your idiotic posts. If you don't want a gun, well, I hope some criminal knows that and breaks in and has his way withyou. If guns aren't a good deterrant, put a sign up in your front yard saying "I AM DISARMED, I OWN NO FIREARMS". See what happens.
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