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Old 09-18-2006, 07:06 PM
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Here is my point: One cannot significantly decrease the number of guns except among the innocent unless one adopts totalitarian methods. Then the government itself becomes the greatest danger. Where there is a demand, there will be a supply. Gun control is seemingly effective in certain countries simply because those countries aren't as "gun crazy" as the United States, and the more the American government tries to regulate gun ownership, the more Americans will cling to their guns.
Thats a whole other debate whether Americans are that different. Even so, gun control has been implimented in some areas, without much outrage. The handgun bans in some major cities for example. The question is, if there is a unique gun culture in the US, then would this mean its a novelty to own a gun? If so, would people care if the government took them away. Some might, but they would fall into line eventually, as usually happens with these policy decisions. The NRA is a powerful lobby though, I will admit that. They need to lobby too, because gun control has real upsides (in my mind).
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I never claimed to be an expert on firearms, but the practice of gun control is relatively simple concept to grasp.
With practice, yes. You should be able to hit a 2" spread from 50'.

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They need to lobby too, because gun control has real upsides (in my mind).
If you mean hitting your target consistently yes.

If you mean making victims out of law abiding citizens as an upside, then I guess so.

Gun Control has been shown to increase violent crime, while adding more guns has been shown to do just the opposite:

http://www.terry.uga.edu/~dmustard/police.pdf

http://johnrlott.tripod.com/Plassmann_Whitley.pdf

http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/JLE....abstract.html
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Drugs are made secretly in peoples homes, this is difficult to stop or prevent. Guns are made in factories, if a country restricts handguns there will only be a few factories building a small amount of guns mainly for law enforcement personel or military. So its a relatively easy war to win, many countries have already done it.
Some drugs, such as meth are made in that fashion. Often pot is as well, but also a lot of pot is run in from Mexico. Heroin and others are not produced here at all, yet are a rather large problem. They are made in other countries and smuggled into the country. Your rebuttal is flawed in that you are assuming that all drugs are made in people homes, but this most certainly isn't true. Many types of drugs are produced elsewhere (cocaine, which is a huge problem isn't made in the homes of Hollywood stars...try Columbia) and smuggled into this country. The same would happen with guns. Oh, and you talk as if it's impossible to make a homemade gun. It's quite easy to do, it's just that homemade guns are well more dangerous to the user than manufactured ones.
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Nice useless mumbo jumbo. Because there are circumstances when you do need that kind of protection. It is better to be the most safe from an attacker and having a gun than taking the gamble of being defenseless....

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Did you all ever hear about the guy that walked in a store and shot about 12 people before the cops arrived and killed him?

There was a lady who said if she had been allowed to carry her gun into the store, she could have put an end to his rampage before it began.

I heard that violent crime has actually increased in the U.K. over the past decade due to robbers knowing that the people they rob are defenseless.

Now make no mistake, I am for strict gun regulation. That means that people convicted of a serious crime don’t get to have guns. It also means that people must register their guns.

Most of the gun trouble comes from criminals and the rest comes from people who just go out and buy a gun and don’t bother to learn how to use it and take care of it.
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There are thousands upon thousands of documented cases of hand guns being used to save lives.
There are thousands upon thousands of documented cases of handguns being used to end lives.

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You can't deny that guns have protected many people who would otherwise be dead.
You can't deny that guns have killed many people who would otherwise be alive.

I don't disagree with the above statements from leadarrows or Sickntiredofliblies, but the reverse does hold true as well.

you can't or at least shouldn't disagree with all of the above statements, but you must remember that for every bullet fired illegally, millions are fired legally or in the name of the law.
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Did you all ever hear about the guy that walked in a store and shot about 12 people before the cops arrived and killed him?

There was a lady who said if she had been allowed to carry her gun into the store, she could have put an end to his rampage before it began.

I heard that violent crime has actually increased in the U.K. over the past decade due to robbers knowing that the people they rob are defenseless.

Now make no mistake, I am for strict gun regulation. That means that people convicted of a serious crime don’t get to have guns. It also means that people must register their guns.

Most of the gun trouble comes from criminals and the rest comes from people who just go out and buy a gun and don’t bother to learn how to use it and take care of it.
True story:

The following mind-boggling attempt at a crime spree in Washington appeared to be the robber's first (and last), due to his lack of a previous record of violence, and his terminally stupid choices:

1. His target was H&J Leather & Firearms, a gun shop specializing in handguns.

2. The shop was full of customers - firearms customers.

3. To enter the shop, the robber had to step around a marked police car parked at the front door.

4. A uniformed officer was standing at the counter, having coffee before work.

Upon seeing the officer, the would-be robber announced a hold-up, and fired a few wild shots from a .38 pistol. The officer and a clerk promptly returned fire, the police officer with a 9mm semiautomatic pistol, the clerk with a 10mm semiautomatic pistol, assisted by several customers who also drew their guns, some of whom also fired.

The robber was pronounced dead at the scene by Paramedics. Crime scene investigators located 47 expended cartridge cases in the shop. The subsequent autopsy revealed 4 gunshot wounds.

No one else was hurt in the exchange of fire.

http://www.snopes.com/crime/dumdum/gunshop.asp
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I have been in these forums before to debate gun control.
Not too likely to waste much time on people who choose to ignore
common sense.


If the aftermath of Katrina did not tell you that the Government will not be able to protect you in times civil strife then nothing will, or these people just choose not to hear. There are none so deaf as those that will not hear.

If we could wave a magic wand and destroy all the guns in the world at the same time, including the ones that belong to the police, and all the armies then there may be hope for gun control to be a positive impact.

Until then, we live in a world that is both wonderful, and very sick.
Hideous things happen to good people everyday both here and abroad.
People do what is in their hearts. If it is murder they will do it with a gun, or a #2 pencil.

I say this to the gun control people. (Time for a gut check)

My gun in my home protects others who have none.
Criminals know that every home they target they have a very good chance to encounter an armed homeowner.

So take the test.

Go outside your home and put up a large sign in your front yard that says
"I am proud that there are no guns in this house"

I bet you don't. As a matter of fact you're not too bright if you do.

But in essence that is what you are demanding all of us to do.
Put a big sign in front of all of our houses.

Think about it.
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So take the test.

Go outside your home and put up a large sign in your front yard that says
"I am proud that there are no guns in this house"

I bet you don't. As a matter of fact you're not too bright if you do.

But in essence that is what you are demanding all of us to do.
Put a big sign in front of all of our houses.

Think about it.
ROTFL. Let's see if Michael Moore or Sarah Brady will do that. My guess is "no way!"

Although actually a lot of these celebs are hypocrites in that they allow their bodyguards to carry guns.
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So take the test.

Go outside your home and put up a large sign in your front yard that says
"I am proud that there are no guns in this house"

I bet you don't. As a matter of fact you're not too bright if you do.

But in essence that is what you are demanding all of us to do.
Put a big sign in front of all of our houses.

Think about it.
ROTFL. Let's see if Michael Moore or Sarah Brady will do that. My guess is "no way!"

Although actually a lot of these celebs are hypocrites in that they allow their bodyguards to carry guns.

I'd bet if the truth were told, some of the celeb's carry too (not just their body guards) along with a number of anti gun politicians.

It's kinda sad.
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