You've never had your home broken into, have you?

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That link is almost too easy to cut apart, so I'll just point out the obvious hole in that argument:

It focuses only on murder by handguns. Certainly, that limits the whole argument to fit the bias agenda at hand.

Maybe if you had some stats on crimes like assault, robbery, etc. and how handguns are involved, then you might garnish some credibility.

Pound for pound, guns do not belong in the home. I don't have to smear my manly pride around and say things like "Well, I need to protect my family!". Really, if you cared at all, you'd play the odds in your favor and you would not have guns in the house.

But then again, you probably hit on 18 at the blackjack tables too.

Who says so? You? Where should we keep them? I'm dying to know.

My god! What am I supposed to use to kill skunks or rabid dogs? Not all of us live in Boston, slick. A gun is not only a weapon but also a tool.

Oh no not at all. Every time I attempt gambling I lose my @$$.

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Well, as opposed to say, a hammer, a gun is emphatically more likely to be used on a fellow family member resulting in a death than, ever, a stranger entering your house.

As for rabid dogs, I know I'm from Boston, but here we have a couple things you might not be aware of. But I assure you, they are much better tools when dealing with rabid varmits.

One: Your door. How about going inside and putting the door between yourself and the rabid thing. You probably don't even need to lock it.

Two: Some group of people...oh, I forget...I know that my tax dollars go toward them all the time......oh yea, the police! Call the cops instead of taking matters into your own hands, vigilante. And if the cops aren't close enough to wherever you live, then get out of the desert and back into civilization. Come join us! We got all sorts of nice things that our tax dollars pay for.




And I also guess LadyLazarus has indeed had a break-in experiance. I would like to inquire further as to what went down. I hope it involves you grabbin' your gun and shootin' the thief, otherwise, your whole basis for even mentioning a break-in would pretty much be negated.

Side fact: When do most break-in's occur?

Answer: Between the hours of 9AM and 3PM, when everyone is likely to be out of the house. Sure you have a dumb burgler here and there, but the majority don't want you there when they go and take your things. And by things I also mean gun. Thanks for carrying that gun so the crimnal could have it now!

GENERAL INFORMATION
Privately owned firearms in the U.S.: More than 200 million, including
65-70 million handguns
Gun owners in the U.S.: 60-65 million; 30-35 million own handguns
American households that have firearms: Approx. 45%
Hunters nationwide: 14 million (16 yrs. of age and older)
I have a right to protect myself and what good is that right if I am denied the means to do so? Guns are just the best tools for that job at the moment. To deny anyone access to guns is no ones right unless you intend to protect that person your self. How about it any of you anti gunners want to guarantee my safety for the next 50 years or so. How about you take my guns away then if some one ever hurts me or my Family I sue you. Lawsuits can go both ways you know.

If you think in the “NEW WORLD” guns and violence are going to go away well get over it because it isn’t going to happen. We really have to remain able and ready to defend ourselves. Even if you could manage to somehow get all of the millions upon millions of <gunpowder, black powder> guns off the streets somebody would just invent a new kind of weapon and the killing would go on. Just as it has since the beginning of time. After all people were killing each other long before there were firearms. The weapon of a killers choice isn’t the issue never has been never will be. The human urge to kill, the willingness to carry out that urge these are the issues that must be addressed before any changes in human nature can occur. It is after all human nature to kill. We kill to eat to protect our selves and our loved ones. You may never have killed the cow yourself but a cow did die so you could have your bigmack attack make no mistake about it you are responsible for the death of a living creature almost every time you eat.

I have asked this before and it always goes unanswered.
It’s the middle of the night. You hear a noise out side of your door. A stranger busts into your room.
On your bed side table are two things. A phone and a gun. The stranger has a club and is about to hit you with it.
What do you grab for the gun or the phone?

If guns are taken away from us are you going to stay at my house and protect my family?
I’m a good sized guy and I fight OK when I have too but I ant no super man. If the anti gunners take away our last, best chance, to defend our families I hope they drowned in the law suites that will follow.
I for one would sue the blank out of all you anti gunners if any thing ever happens to my family after the government takes our guns away.

As for calling the cops…sure they will be more than happy to arrest the predators that have harmed or killed you or your family. …Some how that’s not good enough for me. If it is for you than go for it. Me I think I will keep the means to protect my family close at hand.

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Only when people do not understand firearms. I must say right now that anyone who owns firearms should know how to properly use them and properly store them.

LOL I can't think of a better candidate for target practice so I'm really not interested in your suggestions but I'll play along.

Ahh but then it bites my dogs or horses or cattle. Why should I let it do that?
Here's the problem with your point of view. You are willing to give all control to the government. I consider the 2nd amendment to be about protection from anything that violates my guaranteed rights.... no matter who it is. Therefor, I need my firearms for if the day ever comes that it is the government that has stopped representing the people of this nation. And you being unarmed....well you surely wouldn't last very long if that happened. But go ahead and trust the government and let them take care of you in every way possible.
Now, Cloddy. I don't live in a desert(except sometimes this summer weather seems like it). But I do sort of live in the sticks.
Do you eat food? It's hard to grow crops and livestock on pavement surrounded by tons of people and buildings. We can't all live in Boston, nor do we all wish to. I prefer to keep my tax dollars comparitively lower and fend for myself for some things. I just happen to be capable of that.

So you slicks can have your crowded cities. I wouldn't trade these here parts for anything in the world.

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Only when people do not understand firearms. I must say right now that anyone who owns firearms should know how to properly use them and properly store them. If you can guarantee 100% that any of your family and friends will not be shot with your weapons, then sure have them.

If any of my family and friends got shot, it won't be with something I bought with the false sense of security.


Why do you feel the need to go to the extremes? I don't trust ALL of what the government is about. I do trust the police to do their job. I do not trust normal, everyday people to have guns in their possession. All it takes is one innocent life for me to avert my desires to have a gun in the house. But then, some people are rules by their fear that a nasty man or a rabid dog will come and hurt them.


And what's with the "when the government stopped representing the people of this nation" hero-movie-of-the-week thing you have going on? Are you going to save us?

Let me picture this scenario if you happen to ever develop a delusional disorder: You holed up in your house, empty, smoking shotgun shell casings on your kitchen floor; Your family, terrified, hiding under the table; and outside, the police, pleading with you to come out and you shouting "Back off you Alien Nazi's!!!"


On a real level, guns are cool. I understand this. When I hold I gun, I do feel powerful. But then my mind thinks critically about the fact that guns are more likely to cause a death of someone I love. And I put it down.

The 2nd amendment is not reason enough to explain why you, a normal citizen, should carry firearms. That's the same as a parent saying to their child "Because I said so"

One of the reasons they would get shot might be because they had nothing to protect themselves with.

Is it not possible for extreme thing to happen? As of now yes I trust the police and our government to a point. I would be a criminal to bear arms against it today. I don't want to wait until we have a dictatorship on our hands. I already understand that this is one of the main reasons our founding fathers wanted us to have the right to bear arms.

Um no, I don't think about it all that much. But it's nice to know that I can defend myself if needed, while you would be cowering in fear, trusting that a murderer may take pity and spare you.

Oh and rabid dogs do exist. You still have not made any point as to why we shouldn't kill them.
"Hero of the week?"...nah.
I don't understand why gun haters like yourself think everyone that owns a gun or thinks the 2nd amendment applies to them is some kind of paranoid freak.

You still make no sense. Why should I not have the right to defend myself? You would give criminals more of an edge in harming law abiding citizens.

Guns are likely to cause a death to someone you love. This is true. But making it illegal for law abiding citizens does not change this fact at all.

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It always go unanswered because its a stupid question. For one, your stupid scenerio is completely preventable if one were to have a security system. Security systems may not shoot projectiles through peoples limbs/heads, but they sure do a good job of scaring a home invader away as well as instantly alerting you and the police of an intrusion.

Seriously, no one is going to "burst" through a door. Its likely they will quietly enter the room and just bash your face in before you even wake up. If they do stupidly burst through the door, with only a club, obviously use the gun, but only an idiot would allow this situation to happen by letting someone enter their house/room unimpeded.

At least with motion detectors in your home, it will triggor the alarm and one will know someone is in the house, well before they have the chance to stand over you with a club.

Firearms are not the "best" way to defend your family, preventing someone from entering your house is the best way. Thats why smart people lock their doors and have security systems, and morons rely only on firearms. You can lie there sleeping next to your firearm all you want while you get your head clubbed, your basically asking to die anyways.

I have 14 dogs. No one sneaks up on me.
It's just a scenario and it happens all the time . If you sleep so soundly that some one can come into your house with out you knowing it your the idiot.
By the time the cops can respond several minuets have gone by if not an hour sometimes. By then you'll be dead, .
People don't kick in doors. LOL You are a joke.
I know personally of a case where a girls ex husband used a baseball bat to come thu her sliding glass door. He intended to kill her and no Security systems was going to stop him. This girl caught him trying to rape there 3 year old daughter. She did all the right things. Called the cops ...pressed charges...he went to jail...she divorced him. He got out of jail pending sentencing. No one told her he was out. She just happened to have a 410 shotgun in the kitchen because she had been shooting rats that were in her barn earlier. Not every one can live in a gated community you know.....don't you? Anyway when he busted thu the door and came at her she didn't have time to call the cops and even if there was an alarm no one could have gotten there in the less than 3 seconds it took her to grab that shotgun and shoot this guy. Unfortunately do to the haste in which she shot and the caliber and load of the gun he lived. His left arm dosent work too well and last we heard he dosent try to rape little kids anymore but if not for that 410 my wife wouldn't have lived to meet me. So stick your screwed up notions up your arzz. That's all they are are notions. Just because something has never happened to you dosent mean it dosent exist. Your kind is too stupid to ever get it so I'M not going to waste anymore time on you.

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