I am just saying its stupid to shoot someone just for being on your property or in your house. Clearly a person walking around doesen't represent a threat. No individual person can place value on anothers life, unless you think you are god, its best to TRY to resolve the situation in a civilized manner before injuring or taking ones life. Clearly processing criminals through the justice system is a better example then unnecessarily shooting someone.

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If someone has the audacity to break into my house, I'm not going to start doubting what else they can and will do while I'm looking at them violating my space. The best thing to do in some of these type situations would be to let them know from the start that you are fully capable of defending yourself. After that you may soon find out whether they are armed and are a serious threat.

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please can people that say how bad guns are start using facts?
fact states that have carried concealled laws have a drop in violent crime.
fact criminals are more afraid of a home owner with a gun than of a security system.
fact when people site how many deaths are caused by a gun they include police shooting criminals and ordinary citizens shooting criminals in self defencse.
fact the stat that says that homes with guns in them, kill more friends or family that with out is made up.
fact in places that have banned guns violent crime has gone up. the perfect example is the uk where after banning of guns stabbings are so high they are talking about banning knives.

M.E.'s have a job to do too.

My, but you're a polite fellow. You're just so nice. I wish I could be that nice... but... I'm not. The one thing that all of God's creatures understand is fear of pain & death.

If you're holding any sort of weapon in your hand, you're just going to die - that's all there is to it. No, book 'em Dano. No Marshal Dillion, drop that hogleg! You're just a dead, dumb mofo. But if when I yelled, Freeze azzhat!... if Mr. UNARMED Criminal instantly dropped to his knees and began begging God that I should spare his life, I would - I'm at least that nice. But a tired, sleepy, grumpy man is not in the mood to be f'ed with late at night. The fellow who was attempting to break into my car years ago (after triggering the silent alarm), I didn't shoot him. I just told him that if he woke me up again, screwing around with my Jag, I'd walk up behind him, put a .40 cal in his brain... and go back to bed. Was I holding a Glock 22 with the laser on his head? Yes. Would I have really shot him? Not unless he spun or charged me. Did he know that? No. Was my car ever touched again? What do you think?

You're unique, to say the least, in your tolerance for those who are breaking the law, entering the homes of others. During a B&E, my assumption would be that you're there to do me harm. If that's not your intention, you'd have about 3 seconds to convince me otherwise. I'm not bloodthirsty, but one way or another, I'll get a good night's sleep.

In short, if you don't closely resemble Salma Hayek wearing black lace panties, you better not be in this joint late at night. And even if you resemble Senorita Hayek, don't crawl in through the bathroom window.

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Wildbore, I understand why you support gun control. If you recall, I supported it myself until recently. There is a great deal of violence in our society, and much of it is perpetrated with firearms. As I came to realize, however, gun control only makes the problem worse.
First, until recently, I bought into the scare tactics about "assault" weapons. In reality, the definition of an assault weapon is purely arbitrary. I found that out in doing careful research on the issue. A second factor is racial profiling, along with class, gender and other kinds of prejudice that are inevitable in any form of licensing or other regulation of gun ownership. The first gun control laws in the United States were racist Jim Crow laws. With licensing, moreover, comes a waiting period. Given that many people who buy guns do so because they have reason to fear a stalker of one kind or another, that waiting period has undoubtedly cost many lives. Third, there is the fact that criminals buy guns whether they are legal or not. 1 in 4 American felons, according to a survey in the book Shot Down, expects to have no difficulty in purchasing a gun after being released, despite the fact that it is illegal for felons to purchase firearms. Gun control doesn't take guns out the hands of criminals- it just keeps them out the hands of people who need protection from criminals. With it comes arbitrary and potentially bigoted government control, which is far from liberal.

if the breaker has a gun,shooting him will be a good idea. and u cannot say:"i will hit him with a club" because u can't predict anything....maybe u cant reach the club and maybe he has a gun.....it's lame and pathetic trying to predict the way to break into ur home.....if some1 broke into ur house,he has no right's since he violalted ur's,and in order to defend urself and ur famuly its ur responsability.....u can't convince others not to carry gun.

Jim Crow laws may actually have an affect. As you notice there are far less murders and violent crime in general in the Northern States, no doubt due to the lack of Jim Crow influence. I don't think that there are that many stalkers out there to justify scrapping the waiting list period. If you are really that afraid you can always stay with a friend until you pass the waiting period. I know the assualt weapons are just normal guns with simple modifications, I could care less, there are still dangerous guns out there like tec 9s and uzis that floating around in gangs are dangerous to society.

Gun Control obviously does not address everything, I am not suggesting it does. You need to have severe punishment for gun crimes and more law enforcement and prosecutors.

We all know the U.S. has high gun violence rates, if gun control won't work to reduce this problem then what will. Either you can care less about the thousands dieing or you can actually contribute by posting something other than Gun Control won't work.

Well obviously it hasn't done much, U.S. gun violence is still among the highest of all OECD countries.

The point is security systems are good first line of defense, even if you are a gun owner, its good to be alerted of an intruder so you are not sleeping while your wife is being raped. Security systems also act as a deterrence. Fact, burgulars are so afraid of security systems they usually target houses without them.

Obviously no one here is talking about gun deaths, we are talking about gun violence and gun murders, which only include the CRIMES commited, not acts of self defence.

Clearly its made up, but there is still a small number of incidents per year where unforunately family and friends are mistakenly shot.

Fact is in a couple places it has, but the overall trend shows that countries with low rates of gun murders have only slightly higher rates of non-gun murders. There is some overspill into things like knife killings, but generally not to the extent the gun control is undermined. It is likely the trend is applicable to violence in the same way.

You idiot, obviously if someone was a threat and I had a gun I would use a gun. I am not some moron that would use a club for the sake of not using a gun. The last thing anyone wants to do is to prevent a law-abiding home owner from possessing a gun, but there is no rational justification for shooting an unarmed and non-threatning home invader.

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Please read "More Guns, Less Crime" by John Lott. He examines the evidence rather than the emotion.

In the District of Cloumbia, it is (or was) illegal to even possess ammunition which could possibly be used in a pistol. D.C. has some of the most stringent gun control laws in the United States. D.C. also had perhaps the highest murder rate in the developed world: 50 per 100K (2003). And you can't blame their murderous ways on Virginia or Maryland. The murder rates in those states was not even 25% of what it was in D.C.

I think things have gotten a bit better on the corruption front since I worked in the D.C. metro area over a decade ago. But in the early 90's, the city police were a rag tag bunch of hooligans. The first year they were issued Glock 22's, an incredible number of new pistols was "lost" by the police... but they were mysteriously "found" by street criminals. The D.C. police ran protection for major East Coast drug dealers like Raphel Edmunds, and some of them had records longer than the people they were charged with locking up. Before there was Federal pressure, we used to refer to our trips into the city as a night out in Dodge City. But I will say one thing, Georgetown was a LOT more fun back in those days. Seeing Jack Kent Cooke's gold-digging trophy wife pop her top, while riding on the hood of an XJ6 is something I'll never forget. Ah yes, good times... good times.

Who knows what this fellow means by "gun control"? I'm not sure even he knows. But the NRA and other pro gun groups have supported "gun control", in the sense that they have supported ENFORCEMENT of existing laws... BEFORE more worthless, ignored words are put to paper. Let me ask, when was the last time anyone read a story about a major bust being conducted against the Crips, the Bloods, or one of the Hispanic gangs in SoCal? How about the Russian/Jewish mob that runs certain parts of NY now, and are known to be major players in small arms smuggling into the U.S.? How many Norinco execs went to jail for smuggling FULL AUTO AK47's into California under the watch of Clinton/Reno?

Don't be fooled by superficial laws that are hyped by the do good, feel good crowd. I'm more of a libertarian, so even though I don't do drugs or believe in them, I'd MUCH rather see the police spending their time on squeezing violent criminals, instead of the Cheech & Chongers among us. Too many heads in jail, and not enough violent criminals, IMO.

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Americans have tons of guns, the U.S. has high rates of gun crimes and non gun crimes. If more guns means less crime thats great, it still doesen't explain the fact that the U.S. has tons of crime despite having lots of guns.

Perhaps I will read that book, after I read dozens of books that are more important.

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