Are there really Americans who are for gun control? The Hoff thought those were a myth.

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Machiavelli's ideas on how to rule a nation are for extreemly good reasons, his rules for "the Prince" are basic truths that any government would be sensible to adopt.
A government MUST be in control of the people. If it is not, then anarchy will ensue and escalate and the government will be destroyed and replaced by a new power.
You can see this happen in neighbourhoods where gangs control the streets. If any of these gangs get an ambitious organised leader they may take control of whole cities.

Therefore disarming the people is the only sensible way to rule a civilisation.

But as I've said in another post, the USA wont manage it for years and years. You don't have the desire right now to be civilised (or supressed as you see) and be ruled. Many prefer the power of the individual. Not surprising as your folk heroes are all gunslingers and gangsters, taking power with a gun.

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The Hoff is forced to wonder what major gang-infested US city you live in. Or at least, to which ones do you refer?

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From watching your US news, FOX CNN and NBC (we get to see it in the UK, and (*)(*)(*)(*) is it scary) it gives just the impression that poor areas in many US cities are close to 3rd world ghettos controlled by gangs, guns, drugs and extortion. Neigbourhoods you can't get a taxi too, or from, Neigbourhoods where you cant park a car for 10 mins without lossing it, Neigbourhoods where a gun shot can be heard every night. Neigbourhoods where the rules are made by the guys prepared to kill to enforce thier reign of fear.

Of course it could just be the media overplaying these things. I doubt it is entirly wrong and Guns in these places give the power to those prepared to kill.

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People like me, are so glad that people like you, are over there, and not over here.

What color is the sky in your great and fluffy world?

Shall we go into Brittish heros now?

Oh yea,
you guys are all civilized now. LOL!

The French are even more civilized than you though.
They just passed a law that forbids anyone that does not carry press credentials from posting any video on the internet.
Very civilized.

http://www.asiamedia.ucla.edu/articl...parentid=65427

The Second Amendment of the Constitution gives Americans the ability to have possession of bare arms in their homes and on themselves for a reason. The reason why our founding fathers gave us this amendment was to give the citizens the ability to fight off an invasion of the country if it had ever happened. The law in Switzerland requires all males 20 to 45 in age to have a rifle in their home at all times, this is the reason why Hitler never invaded Switzerland. Swiss engaged in things like shooting sports and target practice sessions, to keep the crime rate low. Nazi forces indicated invading Switzerland would be difficult because of the Swiss' improved aim due to the gun events they've had hosted.


Never let the second amendment be altered or removed, because the invasion lies within the power of our own elected, not a foreign army. The moment we give up the second amendment, we the people, are truly under the mercy of our own government. Some people are right, how could we stop the government? Well why would the government want a war-torn country full of dead citizens? The object is control of the PEOPLE here. "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

Switzerland has mandatory military service. Everyone male in Switzerland goes through basic military training. They need the gun for their job. They have low-gun crime, not high gun crime like the US. Another reason for not invading Switzerland is its easy to defend, because its in the mountains.

It is sensible to let people keep and bear arms. But if you are praising Switzerland as an example than why aren't you saying how great having mandatory military service is.

You bring up a well regulated militia. Well, thats what Switzerland has thanks to mandatory military service. Do you support mandatory military service in the US, so you can someday maintain a well regulated militia like Switzerland. Every American male would actually be proficient in firearms for once.

If the people make up the militia, than your untrained, unorganized, ragtag militia is pretty sad compared to Switzerland's.

The fact is the right to bear arms is already covered under the right to own private property, and the legal right of self-defense. If you want a Switzerland type system, where every male must have a service rifle because they are part of the militia, then you can do that too. But I think you are just digging yourself a hole.

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"Before Adolph Hitler came to power, there was a black market in firearms, but the German people had been so conditioned to be law abiding, that they would never consider buying an unregistered gun. The German people really believed that only hoodlums own such guns. What fools we were. It truly frightens me to see how the government, media, and some police groups in America are pushing for the same mindset. In my opinion, the people of America had better start asking and demanding answers to some hard questions about firearms ownership, especially if the government does not trust me to own firearms, why or how can the people be expected to trust the government?

There is no doubt in my mind that millions of lives could have been saved if the people were not "brainwashed" about gun ownership and had been well armed. Hitler's thugs and goons were not very brave when confronted by a gun. Gun haters always want to forget the Warsaw Ghetto uprising, which is a perfect example of how a ragtag, half starved group of Jews took up 10 handguns and made asses out of the Nazis.

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Vote only for politicians who trust the people to own all types of firearms, and who have a strong pro-Second Amendment voting record. Anti-gunownership politicians are very dangerous to a free society. Liberty and freedom can only be preserved by an armed citizenry. I see creeping m in America, just as in Germany, a drip at a time; a law here, a law there, all supposedly passed to protect the public. Soon you have total enslavement. Too many Americans have forgotten that tyranny often masquerades as doing good. This is the technique the Liberal politicians/Liberal media alliance are using to enslave America.


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Their (Liberals) ignorance is pitiful -- their lives have been too easy. Had they experienced Dachau, they would have a better idea of how precious freedom is. These leftist should leave America. These Sarah Brady types must be educated to under-stand that because we have an armed citizenry, that a dictatorship has not yet happened in America. These anti-gun fools are more dangerous to Liberty than street criminals or foreign spies."


Theodore Haas - Jewish survivor of Dachau Concentration Camp

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"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded emotional and mental development" - Sigmund Freud

Sort of like every city in europe with a significant muslim immigrant presence? I like to tell gun control advocates of Theo van Gogh, whose last words were "Surely we can discuss this!!!" before a muslim man stabbed him twenty-some-odd times, cut his throat twice and pinned a page of the Koran to his chest with the murder weapon. Isn't it grand that mr van Gogh was not allowed to carry a concealed handgun that day, and that he was raised to be such a panty waist that he could do nothing but beg for mercy before being murdered?

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting that vote." – Attributed to Benjamin Franklin

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"Those who turn swords into plowshares will do the plowing for those who do not" - Anon

"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded emotional and mental development" - Sigmund Freud

Some of you folks talk too much. Guns dont kill people, people do. Does anyone disagree? If so why?