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Old 04-28-2007, 06:31 PM
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The Thai government's decision to bypass the patents on two Aids drugs and one heart drug, so it can offer them to all Thai citizens, is a bold move, which has put the country on a collision course with the big pharmaceutical firms.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asi...6587379.stm?ls

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USA for Innovation on Wednesday kicked off an advertising campaign against ''Thailand's Theft of American Assets''.

The campaign includes a full-page advertisement in the Wall Street Journal, and highlights a recent movement by the Thai 'military regime' to steal American medical innovations, according to the organisation.

Over 35,00 letters would be delivered to President George W Bush, US administration officials and the congressional leadership urging Washington to ''take retaliatory action in the form of trade or economic sanctions or the removal of military aid''.

The advertisement, under the headline ''Slouching Towards Burma'', says Gen Surayud Chulanont is taking Thailand down Burma's path, by lining the military's pockets with pay increases of $9 million and new military spending of $1.1 billion.

''Then coup leaders hastily imposed draconian measures on foreign-owned companies like capital controls, restrictions on business advertising and stealing American assets for military benefit,'' the advertisement says, referring to Public Health Minister Mongkol na Songkhla's recent decision to break the patent of Aids and heart disease drugs produced by US drug firms, including Abbott Laboratories and Merck.
http://www.bangkokpost.com/News/29Apr2007_news08.php

Yes, I don't like Feudal military junta it have not right to decide for everything , but I'm not Pro-American too ,
In my country , its true for mention in this Ad. I don't care about Aids drug but I'm worry about GSP of Thailand if Us gov. use it for against , because many many Thais would be in trouble absolutely.
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Drugs should be available to everyone who needs them at a cost that won't bamkrupt them. If the pharmaceutical companies are worried about lost profits, maybe they should stop dumping their cash into TV commercials.
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Drugs should be available to everyone who needs them at a cost that won't bamkrupt them. If the pharmaceutical companies are worried about lost profits, maybe they should stop dumping their cash into TV commercials.
Right on. Drugs should be available to those who are affected with a deadly disease such as Aids.
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If they're stealing American secrets then they should institute every penalty they can envision.

Pharma companies should be able to charge whatever the market will bear. It's their intellectual property, they developed the medicine, the government didn't give them any money and they don't backstop any losses for drugs that don't work. Until that changes they should be able to charge what they like. If they change this like the defense industry and pay them for failed developments, provide government money for research, etc then we can discuss price caps. But until that happens...
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I can agree with the sentiment that the government should back the risk for something so crucial as drug development (at least for certain kinds of drugs)... but on the other hand...
If the pharma-business is going to charge so much that people who need it cannot afford it, then people should continue bypassing copyright law.
Sorry to all the die-hard capitalists... but this IS the situation of someone stealing in order to keep alive... the proverbial stealing to feed one's family.
What's more they are not stealing anything tangible, but a recipe.

I cannot fault people for taking an idea for something of which there is NO alternative, especially when it is a life or death matter. The market breaks down when it cannot get the people who need what they need.
So this is a case where I say screw copyright law... This is the case where copyrights KILL.
Life is more important than law. When the law does not recognize that, it only sows the seeds for its own undermining.
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The problem with a wholesale violation of patent law is that it will eventually force companies to stop developing drugs. So the solution here will very likely kill people. You need another plan. If Western Europe can get people drugs without violating patent law, Thailand can.
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The problem with a wholesale violation of patent law is that it will eventually force companies to stop developing drugs. So the solution here will very likely kill people.
But the market is shaped by the actions of individuals.
I think this should be a point that helps elevate the cause of subsidizing risk on life-saving drugs. I don't expect individuals to die in order to save a large number of theoretical people... Whether right or wrong... it isn't something to be expected.
And it hardly does any good for a population that demands life-saving drugs if those who need can't afford it.
Right or wrong, this should not be surprising... and I don't believe going after the culprits is the right way to fix it... That would be attacking the symptom rather than the cause.
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I think this should be a point that helps elevate the cause of subsidizing risk on life-saving drugs.
There is nothing wrong with subsidizing risk per se. But doing it by violating patent law is not the answer. Western Europe does it. Seems to work.

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I don't expect individuals to die in order to save a large number of theoretical people... Whether right or wrong... it isn't something to be expected.
I'm not talking about theoretical people either. I'm talking about actual people. You would be trading a few people now for loads of future people. While those people are theoretical now, they won't be later.

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And it hardly does any good for a population that demands life-saving drugs if those who need can't afford it.
Equally, it doesn't help if drugs are simply not available. Which is what would happen over time. You could get existing drugs, of course, but new ones will stop hitting the pipeline.

I'm not suggesting access is not a problem. But the solution above will make the problem worse in the long run.
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I can agree with the sentiment that the government should back the risk for something so crucial as drug development (at least for certain kinds of drugs)... but on the other hand...
If the pharma-business is going to charge so much that people who need it cannot afford it, then people should continue bypassing copyright law.
Sorry to all the die-hard capitalists... but this IS the situation of someone stealing in order to keep alive... the proverbial stealing to feed one's family.
What's more they are not stealing anything tangible, but a recipe.

I cannot fault people for taking an idea for something of which there is NO alternative, especially when it is a life or death matter. The market breaks down when it cannot get the people who need what they need.
So this is a case where I say screw copyright law... This is the case where copyrights KILL.
Life is more important than law. When the law does not recognize that, it only sows the seeds for its own undermining.
In that case why not allow people who are hungry to break and enter into grocery stores? Or drug stores? Copyrights do not kill. Copyrights protect the intellectual property of owners. That is the equivalent of saying burglar alarms kill because they don't allow people to break in to steal what they need from the shelves. Copyright laws won't and shouldn't be broken because they will lead to fewer developments. They can break the laws, they should just be sued for it.
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In that case why not allow people who are hungry to break and enter into grocery stores? Or drug stores?
Allow it or not, it would happen if people were starving... and it would be impossible to fault the culprits when it happened. Anyone who claims they would not steal over a life-or-death manner is lying.
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