Thread: Should the Government Provide Free Universal Health Care for All Americans?

Like I said, if you like Canada's health care system so much, move there.

Typical RepubliCON cop out.

As a taxpayer, I helped finance Israel's HC coverage for its citizens. Now all I want is to have my medical costs paid for just like I paid for others.

Originally Posted by kilgram

Why do I tend to think that people that don't want universal healthcare are sociopaths?

Because that is precisely what they are.

45,000 Americans die every year (that's 900,000 in the past 20 years) while these RepubliCONs laugh and celebrate. That is sociopathic lunacy of the worse kind.

I think our healthcare system should be free to the American people including illegal immigrants. If your're poor then why should you suffer? Why can't we have a healthcare system in where the government pays for everything. Look at Europe and Canada, they are on socialized medicine. In Europe, their healthcare system is awesome and no one complains about it. The way their healthcare system is that most of their income is subtracted into tax money which goes towards the government to provide its citizens free healthcare. Let's say person A makes $880 and for the government to provide free healthcare, they need to take away $300 from your paycheck. Is it worth it? Of course it is, you will never have to worry about paying the bill just because you can't afford to pay it when the government can pay it for you. The answer is "Yes, the American People should have Free National Healthcare." Who are we to deny anyone healthcare just because they do not have the money to pay for it? And when I mean Free Healthcare for all, I mean the best quiality medicines to patients as well. The generic brands should be cut off and the government should provide the Best Quality Healthcare there is. Just because healthcare is free does not mean you have to provide your citizens the cheapest quality of it. If healthcare is going to be free, then make it the best of it by providing citizens the BEST Quality healthcare there is. And to pay for it, raise taxes. If we want the best out of every service, then we need to start paying more taxes. I'm sure people wouldn't mind paying taxes if they want the best out of everything.

Originally Posted by Mr_Truth

Typical RepubliCON cop out.

As a taxpayer, I helped finance Israel's HC coverage for its citizens. Now all I want is to have my medical costs paid for just like I paid for others.

No cop out, Jack, I just refuse to pay for your health care as well as my own. I have put in to many years for my family to have fools take the health care I have worked for away. I have no intention to have my wife and I go on rationed health care just because those like you are fool enough to think you would get the same care or better with UHC. I can call names to if you really want to get into that.

Originally Posted by Rickrolld300

I think our healthcare system should be free to the American people including illegal immigrants. If your're poor then why should you suffer? Why can't we have a healthcare system in where the government pays for everything. Look at Europe and Canada, they are on socialized medicine. In Europe, their healthcare system is awesome and no one complains about it. The way their healthcare system is that most of their income is subtracted into tax money which goes towards the government to provide its citizens free healthcare. Let's say person A makes $880 and for the government to provide free healthcare, they need to take away $300 from your paycheck. Is it worth it? Of course it is, you will never have to worry about paying the bill just because you can't afford to pay it when the government can pay it for you. The answer is "Yes, the American People should have Free National Healthcare." Who are we to deny anyone healthcare just because they do not have the money to pay for it? And when I mean Free Healthcare for all, I mean the best quiality medicines to patients as well. The generic brands should be cut off and the government should provide the Best Quality Healthcare there is. Just because healthcare is free does not mean you have to provide your citizens the cheapest quality of it. If healthcare is going to be free, then make it the best of it by providing citizens the BEST Quality healthcare there is. And to pay for it, raise taxes. If we want the best out of every service, then we need to start paying more taxes. I'm sure people wouldn't mind paying taxes if they want the best out of everything.

Because I refuse to pay for your health care as well as Illegals. Any other questions??

Originally Posted by beenthere;

No cop out, Jack, I just refuse to pay for your health care as well as my own. I have put in to many years for my family to have fools take the health care I have worked for away. I have no intention to have my wife and I go on rationed health care just because those like you are fool enough to think you would get the same care or better with UHC. I can call names to if you really want to get into that.

But you are only too happy to pay for Israel's health care even though that country has fomented so much war and trouble overseas which has increased your tax bill.

Further, 45,000 Americans die every year because of your RepubliCON ideology which is a blood tax - 900,000 lives in the past 20 years. If these lives had only been spared their productivity would more than make up for the cost of UHC. In the long run society would have benefited FAR more from that type of coverage than from its absence.

Originally Posted by beenthere

No cop out, Jack, I just refuse to pay for your health care as well as my own. I have put in to many years for my family to have fools take the health care I have worked for away. I have no intention to have my wife and I go on rationed health care just because those like you are fool enough to think you would get the same care or better with UHC. I can call names to if you really want to get into that.

Fool enough based upon how the rest of the world works? heh. Rationing. Rationing away unnecessary care maybe. For profit hospitals try to milk well-insured people for all they're worth and the only thing standing between you and a procedure that would do more harm than good is the integrity of your doctor under intense pressure from the non-physician running his hospital to be "more productive." Sorry, just because we use only the newest expensive drugs and expensive machines when they haven't been proven to be more effective doesn't mean we have higher quality care in America. It just means we're willing to throw money away to make it look like we're doing more than the hospital down the street because consumers of healthcare don't have a clue what's going on and the incentives of those who do are COMPLETELY misaligned because we're still worried that adopting universal healthcare is like surrendering to the red army.

Originally Posted by LiveUninhibited

The french system works best. A basic government health insurance for everybody with the option of upgrading for extra. While we might see some benefits in health, the primary benefit for doing this is cost. And it's not because of "death panels" that it would be cost-saving, but rather because of reduced overhead (yes, even governments are more efficient than thousands of different insurance companies each with different policies that require providers to hire extra staff to untangle them), and increased purchaser power that drive down costs. We would certainly need to keep politics away from specific decisions though (i.e. how things are covered by the basic plan must be based upon cost-benefit, not which company contributed to your political campaign). And who knows, we might even get drug companies to actually make new drugs instead of combine two existing drugs into one and pretend they're new, because a system that uses a formulary would cover the drugs separately instead of the "new" brand name drug at 1/10 the cost.

The cost-saving in overhead might sound theoretical, but if you look at America compared to other well-developed countries, the primary difference isn't in health care quality, but rather in health care costs. America pays a lot more for the same services but for a smaller proportion of its citizens. As a result, our businesses have trouble competing in the world market and our citizens suffer.

It's also a moral issue to me. If we really believe in equal opportunity, the playing field must be as level as possible when it comes to health. No rights can be enjoyed if we are deprived of some basic level of health, and not everybody is at fault for their health conditions. It's really the same principle that applies to the opportunity to get an education, but on an even more basic level.

Or we could cut costs by staying in the private sector by increasing preventative care, reduce the amount of people that use the emergency room as a primary source of care, limit the life of patents on name brand drugs so that more generics are available and medicines are more affordable for everyone, and reduce the amount of uninsured. Unless we address the factors that are actually responsible for driving up the costs of healthcare in the US we are just adding bureaucracy costs of increased wait time and less efficiency to an already expensive system.

Originally Posted by Mr_Truth

But you are only too happy to pay for Israel's health care even though that country has fomented so much war and trouble overseas which has increased your tax bill.

Further, 45,000 Americans die every year because of your RepubliCON ideology which is a blood tax - 900,000 lives in the past 20 years. If these lives had only been spared their productivity would more than make up for the cost of UHC. In the long run society would have benefited FAR more from that type of coverage than from its absence.

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Good, the more Israelis we keep healthy the more Arabs they will kill. The more they kill the less that will attack the U.S.

Since the Arabs are the ones that keep the war going over there I don't see your point.


{{{"""Further, 45,000 Americans die every year because of your RepubliCON ideology which is a blood tax - 900,000 lives in the past 20 years. """}}}

And just where do you pull your figures out of??? When you idiots want to push abortion you told Amrica that 10,000 women died from back ally abortions in 1964. The true number was 136. It's people such as your self that are responcible for the deaths of over 100 million Americans. On top of that aren't the majority of these Americans your crying about doppers and alcoholics, you know the ones that have destroied their body's with drugs and booze. And you Democommies keep dragging out number you pull out of you know where and throw out there to see if repeating them will fly.


We already pay for anyone to get treatment in any hospital that takes government funds. Plus we have how many on the Welfare rolls that recieve full medical care off us?

{{{"""In the long run society would have benefited FAR more from that type of coverage than from its absence""}}

Only for those that want to sit back and say, "Uncle Sugar, take care of me from the crade to the grave". YUour the ones that keep screeming that we need to send everybody to collage to get a masters in advanced drinking. "Hey Dud, Party down.""" Next you are going to start crying about all the millions that need a roof over their head, and we need more food for the hungry in America. And did you know that there are kids going to school with holes in their shoes? Oh, we can't have that in "America". No, let's stop it right here and go no ferther. If the Democommies want their own little utopia, go buy a lage area, pool your money and live the life......., until the money runs out then you will be back crying you want the rest of us to pay for your way of life that you "Deserve".

I voted yes, as I consider healthcare a human right. But to increase efficiency, government should buy it on the (regulated) market for those who lack the funds, not directly provide it. And there should be small fees to deter waste.