Thread: Should the Government Provide Free Universal Health Care for All Americans?

Uh, the government is broke. They can't afford to take care of you anymore. Better start thinking about your own self sufficiency.

Originally Posted by driller80545

Uh, the government is broke. They can't afford to take care of you anymore. Better start thinking about your own self sufficiency.

Taxpayers are not the government. The taxpayer takes care of you, the government distributes the money.

Originally Posted by Makedde

Taxpayers are not the government. The taxpayer takes care of you, the government distributes the money.

And that's the problem. They distribute it to everyone no questions asked.

Now, I have no problem with a universal health care plan but you got to have the balls to say no to those that abuse the system. If you can't do that, which they can't, then government has no business running a massive program such as this.

Originally Posted by Angrytaxpayer

And that's the problem. They distribute it to everyone no questions asked.

That's not really true. You have to formally apply by filling out forms, meeting with a social worker and have to meet the established criteria, otherwise you'll get nothing.

Originally Posted by savage-republican

Sure why not and lets give everyone free food, and housing, and diapers, and tissues for their tears, and where does it end. While I can see a need for some reform in America' health care industry, the government can not provide it for free. Well I guess it could be free if we just make all health care workers slaves and not pay them!

Nothing is free in this world, someone has to pay for services, you just want someone else to pay for that which you do not want to pay for. Its been said here before, a lot of poor people smoke, a pack of cigarettes costs about 5-6 dollars in America, times that by 7 packs a week, 4 weeks a month thats about 150 dollars a month. Or how about a case of beer, 25 dollars times 4 weeks is 100 dollars a month. Basic health insurance can be had for that price in America. Maybe people need to realize how much money they spend on needless things, and realize they could afford what would be beneficial to them.

I understand that some people can not afford insurance they dont buy cigarettes or alcohol, but for those there are government programs ever heard of medicaid. Its all about whats important, most people take for granted their health until they get sick then they cry poverty, maybe you should realize that taking care of yourself is your responsibility.

Then are those who live lean lives and do not have the funds to pay for their own healthcare.

Meh.

Another right wing view of the poor.

Originally Posted by Wolverine

Then are those who live lean lives and do not have the funds to pay for their own healthcare.

Meh.

Another right wing view of the poor.

Sorry but unlike you who views the poor through liberal news outlets I've seen the poor and worked with the poor in my hospital for over 20 years and unfortunately savage-republicans view of the poor is dead on, for the majority of them. The very few minority that want to better themselves and have fallen on hard times are overshadowed by the majority.

I have mothers who after 9 months of being pregnant finally inquire about formula for their babies AFTER they're born. Medicaid and WIC are engraved in their heads rather than preventative birth control and preparation for the future. What kills me is many of them are dressed to the 9's and have the latest smart phones. Some of them drive very nice SUV's. I know, I've buckled their newborns into them. Illegal immigrants are the worst and I'm not going to get into it.

It's disturbing how you think hard working Americans owe abusers a living just on the basis that they're "poor." You need to move out of mommy and daddy's house for a bit and see how real life works.

Hmmmmm.... odd. I became a market socialist after living on my own.

Imagine that.

Originally Posted by Wolverine

Hmmmmm.... odd. I became a market socialist after living on my own.

Imagine that.

Interesting how you sidestepped the rest of my post to comment on the personalized part of it.

Originally Posted by Angrytaxpayer

And that's the problem. They distribute it to everyone no questions asked.

Now, I have no problem with a universal health care plan but you got to have the balls to say no to those that abuse the system. If you can't do that, which they can't, then government has no business running a massive program such as this.

What do you mean by abuse the system?

Only the Government can do it. How do you put an insurance model on something that will happen by 100 % certainty, such as geriatric illness and death? Private insurers have no choice but to write people off like writing cars off, or else they must price themselves out of the market.

So yes, it must be the government. And it can't be a "health care" as we know it, it must be a "managed decline" management system.