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    Woman died after being denied ambulance because she was 'still talking'

    I just thought I would post this seeing how everyone says other developed countries health care is better than the States.

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/health/2012/0...#ixzz1sWJNzmYl


    Swedish health authorities have come under criticism over the death of a woman whose repeated calls to emergency services were ignored because she was still able to talk.

    Jill Soderberg, 22, died in her home in the town of Timra, 241 miles (389km) north of Stockholm, on January 20, 2011, shortly after she had placed her third and last call to SOS Alarm emergency services requesting an ambulance, news website The Local reported Tuesday.

    However, every time she rang, as per procedure, operators connected her to Vasternorrland County nurses who deemed that she was not sufficiently ill for an ambulance because she could still speak.

    "I can't breathe," Soderberg, who was suffering chest pains, told operators, according to transcripts of the calls. "I want you to come and help me."

    "The operator considered her to still be communicating verbally and decided that she didn't need an ambulance," Jill Soderberg's mother, Annika Soderberg, said.

    The elder Soderberg said she had asked SOS Alarm to explain the logic behind refusing someone an ambulance on the basis that they were speaking.

    "How could you even call for an ambulance in the first place?" she said, adding, "No one could answer that one."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier8 View Post
    Woman died after being denied ambulance because she was 'still talking'

    I just thought I would post this seeing how everyone says other developed countries health care is better than the States.

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/health/2012/0...#ixzz1sWJNzmYl
    Well, I'll just trot out the WHO meme: the US is 37th!!! in healthcare rankings.

    Of course, what those who trot out the survey don't tell you is that the US falls behind in 3 of the key measures of the report: how medical care is paid for. If strangers pay for your care, the medical system gets a high rank. If you are responsible, to any extent, for paying for services you want/need, then it's a "poor" quality system. On the 4th measure, performance, the US is #1. So, in answer to your OP, you can either have "free" healthcare in which the government extorts money from strangers and uses it to pay for substandard service, or you can have performance where providers are serving you, the consumer, or not getting your business.
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    A woman dies and all you're bothered about is a jingoistic pissing contest?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HonestJoe View Post
    A woman dies and all you're bothered about is a jingoistic pissing contest?
    What does the OP have to do with extreme nationalism or aggressive foreign policy?
    "The principle that the end justifies the means is, in individualist ethics, regarded as the denial of all morals. In collectivist ethics it becomes necessarily the supreme rule" -- F. A. Hayek.
    "A day, an hour, of virtuous liberty is worth a whole eternity in bondage" -- Joseph Addison's "Cato, A Tragedy" (1713)
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    Somebody (the triage nurse) made a bad call. That said, the fact that you can speak intelligibly indicates that you can indeed breathe. The Swedish system is obviously only 99% better than the US lashup.
    Hello! I'm from Europe, the place where history comes from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel K View Post
    Somebody (the triage nurse) made a bad call. That said, the fact that you can speak intelligibly indicates that you can indeed breathe. The Swedish system is obviously only 99% better than the US lashup.
    On what basis? Your guess?
    "The principle that the end justifies the means is, in individualist ethics, regarded as the denial of all morals. In collectivist ethics it becomes necessarily the supreme rule" -- F. A. Hayek.
    "A day, an hour, of virtuous liberty is worth a whole eternity in bondage" -- Joseph Addison's "Cato, A Tragedy" (1713)
    "The only way to deal with an unfree world is to become so absolutely free that your very existence is an act of rebellion." - Albert Camus

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel K View Post
    Somebody (the triage nurse) made a bad call. That said, the fact that you can speak intelligibly indicates that you can indeed breathe. The Swedish system is obviously only 99% better than the US lashup.
    that sums it up well...when I took my first aid course one of the first things we learned was to check ABC-Airway, Breathing, and Circulation, obviously if someone is talking they are breathing...the Triage nurse either made a bad call or we're not getting the entire story...mistakes happen everywhere, no country regardless it's level of medical sophistication is immune to errors or miscommunication...
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    Quote Originally Posted by BleedingHeadKen View Post
    On what basis? Your guess?
    you need to be able to breath to talk...and that's not a guess
    Last edited by wyly; Apr 19 2012 at 02:30 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier8 View Post
    Woman died after being denied ambulance because she was 'still talking'

    I just thought I would post this seeing how everyone says other developed countries health care is better than the States.

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/health/2012/0...#ixzz1sWJNzmYl

    Thanks. But how in any way does your post prove whether Sweden's healthcare is better or worse?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier8 View Post
    Woman died after being denied ambulance because she was 'still talking'

    I just thought I would post this seeing how everyone says other developed countries health care is better than the States.

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/health/2012/0...#ixzz1sWJNzmYl
    America.

    Ignored By 911, Woman Dies In Hospital

    A woman who lay bleeding on the emergency room floor of a troubled inner-city hospital died after 911 dispatchers refused to contact paramedics or an ambulance to take her to another facility, newly released tapes of the emergency calls reveal.

    Edith Isabel Rodriguez, 43, died of a perforated bowel on May 9 at Martin Luther King Jr.-Harbor Hospital. Her death was ruled accidental by the Los Angeles County coroner's office.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-204_162-2923545.html
    Last edited by Man on Fire; Apr 19 2012 at 04:11 PM.

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