Thread: Socialized health care at its best...

45,000 Americans used to die from RepubliCONcare every year:


http://www.pnhp.org/news/2009/septem...udy_finds_.php


Such a heart break to the "pro life" GOP that this won't happen anymore.

Originally Posted by onalandline

I would rather owe money than be dead. You could pay $25/month let's say. They cannot fault you for paying at least something, if that was the case. I'm sure she would also qualify for other assistance if she was that poor.

A friend who is poor and works, he has a 28 hour a week full time for them Walmart job had such a bill sent it to collections and put a lien on his one asset his home. I avoid this only due to not having anything to go after and NO credit at all, making me an unappealing person to waste the time on and the hospitals must write off the debt abusing ,I admit, the charity care law. But the system is not a good one even in the original post its better than no health care in most cases.

If you were a pauper in India with nothing would you consider seeing a nurse practitioner a good thing if your sick, get real people most of you have no clue what its like being poor long term.

Originally Posted by tkolter

A friend who is poor and works, he has a 28 hour a week full time for them Walmart job had such a bill sent it to collections and put a lien on his one asset his home. I avoid this only due to not having anything to go after and NO credit at all, making me an unappealing person to waste the time on and the hospitals must write off the debt abusing ,I admit, the charity care law. But the system is not a good one even in the original post its better than no health care in most cases.

If you were a pauper in India with nothing would you consider seeing a nurse practitioner a good thing if your sick, get real people most of you have no clue what its like being poor long term.

I don't have much to say to you after seeng your avatar.

You don't have much to say anyway.

Originally Posted by tkolter

A friend who is poor and works, he has a 28 hour a week full time for them Walmart job had such a bill sent it to collections and put a lien on his one asset his home. I avoid this only due to not having anything to go after and NO credit at all, making me an unappealing person to waste the time on and the hospitals must write off the debt abusing ,I admit, the charity care law. But the system is not a good one even in the original post its better than no health care in most cases.

If you were a pauper in India with nothing would you consider seeing a nurse practitioner a good thing if your sick, get real people most of you have no clue what its like being poor long term.

middle class is more liable , best thing to do is open offshore corporation put all assets there apply for medicaid . leech of US healthcare until it goes to NHS

This is incorrect use of the word socialized. Nationalization is not socialization.

Originally Posted by onalandline

Dying of thirst in a NHS center: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...xcellence.html.

Hospitals 'letting patients die to save money’: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/he...ave-money.html.

This is ONLY because of the huge cuts to services and the slow privatization of the NHS caused by the Conservative party. It's to do with right wing policies dealing with the NHS. The cuts don't affect the NHS in Scotland and it's not getting privatized there and I have been on the receiving end of the NHS in Scotland only to find it professional, quick to get to the problem and caring.

Originally Posted by onalandline

Dying of thirst in a NHS center: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...xcellence.html.

Hospitals 'letting patients die to save money’: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/he...ave-money.html.

In all fairness people die unnecessarily in American hospitals to. I remember a while back someone dropping dead after waiting for 11 hours to be seen in a L.A. ER waiting area. The deceased person laid on the floor for 30 minutes before anybody did anything... if memory serves me right. So is that the status quo or a statistical outlier? I say the person who dropped dead in the L.A. ER waiting area was a statistical outlier. But here in Canada many Canadians see that as the status quo. It is sad how people can take the worst case scenarios and make them the norm. Ignorance abounds and is not confined to America or Canada... it is a human thing to be so short sighted from time to time. Happens to us all.

I am an American living in Canada, and I am no fan of socialized health care. I would take the American system with all its faults over the Canadian system. Although to be fair and objective, I do have to point out that the average life expectancy here in Canada is significantly higher than that of the USA.

Originally Posted by RedRepublic

This is incorrect use of the word socialized. Nationalization is not socialization.

In a country where the government is democratically controlled or elected, nationalization is socialization. Control by the government is control by the people.

Originally Posted by robini123

In all fairness people die unnecessarily in American hospitals to. I remember a while back someone dropping dead after waiting for 11 hours to be seen in a L.A. ER waiting area. The deceased person laid on the floor for 30 minutes before anybody did anything... if memory serves me right. So is that the status quo or a statistical outlier? I say the person who dropped dead in the L.A. ER waiting area was a statistical outlier. But here in Canada many Canadians see that as the status quo. It is sad how people can take the worst case scenarios and make them the norm. Ignorance abounds and is not confined to America or Canada... it is a human thing to be so short sighted from time to time. Happens to us all.

I am an American living in Canada, and I am no fan of socialized health care. I would take the American system with all its faults over the Canadian system. Although to be fair and objective, I do have to point out that the average life expectancy here in Canada is significantly higher than that of the USA.

Oh God, if you think its bad enough in ER waiting rooms, wait till Affordable care act, and then universal health care.

People often spend the night in those ER rooms, now they will sleep outside