I know......it sucks. No bumper sticker discussion here where somebody can call somebody else a commie or a nazi.

just the facts ma'am

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Who frauds the government programs? Government employees or private enterprisers? What about the huge executive salaries and benefits in the profit and non profit health care billers/companies? What about the huge administrative costs combined of all the insurance companies?

What do other nations pay per person for health care vs the USA?

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No nation pays more per head - or covers fewer people for that cost.

But we're Americans and we have the best health care system in the world (said with never having tried all the others)!!!!!

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IDK, ive tried Italy and Australia, and I was more happy with those visits than my usual trip to an american doctor... but that's just my personal experience... Much less paperwork, much less waiting time... But I never suffered an emergency problem, and I guess that's where the possible differences really count.

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Yeah, the Canadians come down here for health care because of how bad we have it and how good they've got it.

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And the British go to India, a third world country, because their system is just perfect! http://www.liberty-page.com/issues/h...ritishboy.html

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Labor in general is cheap in india, not exactly a fair comparison . One might ask why they chose to go to india and no the USA

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So what is tyhe service level provided for the lower cost elsewhere? Is that desirable>?

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But I thought everything was "affordable" in perfect socialized medicine systems?

Let's start by understanding why they left such a perfect system in their own backyard.

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Who's talking about socialized medicine? this article was about private medicine in england.
Because they didn't want to wait for their social medicine, they did not buy private health insurance, the pound is a very strong currency, and labor in india is cheap on top of the pound being a strong currency. Why do so many capitalist industries outsource their labor and technical sectors to india and china? Because labor is cheap.

I also don't think cherry picking any individual story about some person going to some other country for healthcare for whatever reason as being at all informative... I'm sure you can find a story of some person going just the opposite way for whatever their personal situation might entail. I know of one story of a guy in alaska, for instance, that committed a crime so he could get healthcare in prison when his private insurance denied him.

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