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Pushing back the frontiers of ignorance.

Lets consider the posted topic instead.

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Pushing back the frontiers of ignorance.

Who cares if it costs too much? According to Keynesians, the government can just create as much extra money as we need, and the economy will improve. And that's exactly what we will do.

As long as they have that printing press.

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Pushing back the frontiers of ignorance.

I don't know whether this is facetious or not but it certainly reflects a fundamental flaw with Keynesian economics. This is, of course, why I support Laisse-Faire capitalism over the government interventionism of Keynesian economics.

Of course the proposals by the Democrats are way out of line from an economic standpoint in numerous regards.

The taxing of so-called "high end" or "Cadillac" insurance plans has to be the most stupid of all proposals. These private insurance policies cost more because of one of two reasons:

A) They include expanded benefits such as dental and vision which cost more. Doesn't Congress what Amercians to have these forms of coverage?

B) They are high risk policies for individuals with serious health problems. Doesn't Congress want these individuals to have health care?

Additionally we see Congress proposing cuts in Medicare/Medicaid payments to health care providers. Medicare and Medicaid already pay less than the actual cost of services being provided and this is going to result in fewer health service providers accepting these patients. What good will Medicare and Medicaid be if the individual can't find anyone willing to treat them because their "government health coverage" doesn't pay for the cost of services?

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Not to take us off topic, but add the expiration of the Bush tax cuts and that family of four is looking at an additional burden of $2,000 to $4,000 more on top of these health care costs.

Do you know a regular middle class family that can lose $15,000+ a year from their take home pay?

Not wanting to derail this thread but merely in response to this post by the originator of this thread I will point out one fact.

The US Constitution does not authorize the legislature to print currency (much less delegate that to a private central bank). The Constitution specifically authorizes the Congress to "coin money" which is the physical action of making coins from metal. Typically this involves copper, silver, and gold as the metal being used to create coins. "Currency" is acceptable only if it is a certificate of deposit for coined money (e.g. a gold certificate, which used to be issued by the Treasury Department, was a receipt for a gold coin being held by the government and the gold coin was payable upon demand by the individual holding the certificate).

But this fact is best discussed elsewhere so let us return to the original OP.

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Shiva:

I agree, dental benefits are just as important when it comes to health care..... Periodontal conditions and decay have been associated as a potential cause of heart disease and the lack of restoration of teeth will lead to Temporal Mandibular joint disturbances which is quite painful....

If they tax the so called Cadillac Plans, for employees it will be paying tax on money that they never actually received whether they used their health plan or not.... The amount the employer pays for the Health Care Plan, will be then considered part of one's income...So it will then throw a person into a higher tax bracket which in turn will require more taxes from the individual....

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Senator Reid has this new idea of States being able to "opt-out" of the plan by a certain date. I would like to see what the details are regarding this provision. Will they fine the States if they opt-out? Will the states be denied federal funds if they opt-out? They should make it the other way. The states should be able to "opt-in". Better yet - no costly Public Option.

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I wanna see what the CBO has to say. I for one will be happy to hear what the cost of a actual bill will be.

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