A tax on health care savings accounts, have the Democrats no shame? These folks are willing to commit chunks of their hard earned money so they can afford health care bumps in the road when they occur and they want to TAX it?

As Russian Comedian Yokov Smirnoff used to say "What a Country".

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...according to the GOP.

Thank you for playing our game!

I agree professor.....

Hundreds of dollars will be paid by middle income families that are currently not paying now and are virtually living pay check to pay check.... Here are the figures from the Baucus Plan Calculator.... It came out to over 11,500 dollars for a family of four per year....This would be apparent for a family of four making 80,000 dollars per year.... The payment would be broke down monthly and mandated....

This tool illustrates premiums and government assistance under the types of reform proposals being considered in Congress for people under age 65 who purchase coverage on their own in an Exchange or Gateway and are not covered through their employer, Medicare or Medicaid. While the proposals considered would not take effect until 2013, the results are presented in terms of 2009 premium and income levels to enable better comparisons to current circumstances. The tool allows the user to start with the provisions from one of several proposals and examine the impact at different income levels. Advanced settings allow users to change assumptions to show the effect of different policy choices.

A few caveats:

•Specific subsidies for cost sharing and what people might pay out-of-pocket for deductibles and coinsurance are not illustrated on the calculator.

•In many cases coverage will be more comprehensive and accessible than what is typically available today in the non-group market, so premiums cannot easily be compared to what people buying insurance on their own are now paying.

•The calculator does not apply to people with coverage available through an employer, where the firm is generally paying for a substantial portion of the insurance premium.



Choose a proposal Choose a proposal House Ways and Means/Education and Labor Committees House Energy and Commerce Committee Senate HELP Committee Senate Finance Committee (Baucus)

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Enter age of policyholder here (19-64):

Choose family type here: Single adult Family of 4

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Note: The premium can be adjusted up or down by 20% to provide a sense of how premiums might differ across areas with higher and lower costs.

Note: Subsidies are only available for people purchasing coverage on their own in the Exchange (not through an employer). All individuals and families with incomes at or below 133% of the federal poverty level will be eligible for Medicaid. Others with higher incomes may also be eligible, depending on rules that vary by state.

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Click here for tables showing results by income and age

Advanced settings: Click here to view or change policy parameters

Medicaid eligibility below: 133 % of poverty

Note: Policy paramaters reflect the proposal, but can be changed to assess how results would differ under alternative policies.

Click here for a list of frequently asked questions about the calculator

Based on the Senate Finance Committee Chairman's Revised Mark, September 22, 2009.

The premiums are illustrative examples in 2009 dollars. For a 40 year old single adult, the premium for a silver plan is assumed to be $3,500 for a plan with a 70% actuarial value.

Premium subsidies are based on a silver plan, so all premiums shown are for silver coverage. In some cases, people receiving premium subsidies may be able to pay a lower premium for less comprehensive coverage (i.e., a bronze plan, with an actuarial value of 65%). The calculator identifies those situations. The tables showing results by age and income also reflect premiums for silver coverage, though in some cases (including for people not receiving any subsidies), the minimum insurance that people would be required to obtain would be bronze coverage.

The proposal also makes available a "young invincible" policy for young adults that is less comprehensive and has a lower premium than other coverage. It is not reflected in the calculator.

Some subsidized people are also eligible for reduced cost sharing, in addition to premium subsidies. These are not illustrated in the calculator.

The actual premium calculated is adjusted for family type, and for age (within the four to one limit specified in the proposal).

Subsidized people can enroll in more expensive plans, but must pay the full difference in the premium.

The proposal specifies that insurers can charge no more for family coverage than three times the premium for single coverage. The calculator relfects our estimate of the average ratio of family to single coverage in employer coverage (2.7 to 1).

The definition of income under the Baucus proposal is somewhat different from the other bills.



Source: Kaiser Family Foundation calculations.



Updated 10/9/09 to better account for the change in total premiums associated with differences in permitted age rating.



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Jollee, You noticed they now want to cut the tax on the so called "Cadillac" Health plans. Those dummies finally figured out THEY have Cadillac health plans.

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LOL, Yeah, they figured out it does not take much to drive a Health Care Caddilac! LOL


The site I listed you can actually go into the baucus Plan, put in your income and come out with what your financial mandated responsibility will be to the Government monthly or yearly..... It's great for getting out the truth!

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I tried it, frightening isn't it.

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It's about people. Let's consider the waste of a bloated military industrial complex and chosen and ill-managed wars.

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I am rather certain you don't want this pointed out gaadfly, because it is contradictory to the above assertion, and directly contradictory to the political goals and aims of the leftist movement.

But the CBO has said their plan is too expensive. Incase you don't know who that is, the CBO is the Congressional Budget Office.

It is non partisan. That means it's neither Democrat or Republican.

Ut oh....looks like it's not as you assserted just "according to the GOP".

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33214558...h_care_reform/

As for taxing health savings accounts, this too is not simply "according to the GOP".

There are infact other non partisan and even some "liberal" sources which say this as well.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/200...lth-plans.html

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/index.cfm

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How about before we consider cutting funding for those who fight, die, and protect us from agressors the world over. (Iran, Al-Queda for example). How about before we consider tax increases on our own people.

We consider first cutting out funding for programs included in the Obama stimulus bill, you know such wasteful programs as the study of prostitution in China.

Oh, my bad I forgot we aren't supposed to point out the money the Democrats waste on such things as that.

How about we consider stopping the funding of other nations entire health systems.

Oh, my bad I forgot, can't do that one either, thats another Democrat pet project.

Seriously the Democrats have alot of nerve to ask us to pay higher taxation, when they sit in the Whitehouse, and Congress in Washington, throwing away our tax money on such things as the study of Prostitution in China, ACORN, and building tunnels for turtles under highways.

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Yes, it's frightening on both ends.... Do people realize that if you have dental coverage with your Plan, generally that qualifies as a Cadillac Plan? That will add most likely about another fifteen thousand to many middle class workers income, and they will pay taxes on the additional amount.... And eventually get thrown on to the Govt. Plan anyways.... Canada's health care former and acting heads of the Canadian Medical Association say that there health care system is imploding, and is sick.... Their words not mine.... There are on the average of 1 million people waiting 1 year to be diagnosed, and another 1 million waiting to have surgery.... Sounds lovely doesn't it, I am sure a few die off before then or it's too late to perform any surgery....

Then, it affects the middle class and mom and pop shops that dont have insurance and could not afford another monthly payment if their life depended on it, most are living paycheck to paycheck.... Not many middle class have an extra $800.00 to $1000. dollars extra to send the government on a monthly basis for a mandated Monthly payment.....

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