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Old 10-28-2009, 08:22 AM
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Anybody who can't see Obamacare for what it is.... will be replaced... including Republicans.
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oh, when have you cons NOT predicted endless doom and gloom where obama's concerned? buncha chicken littles.
On the contrary, we look at his proposal and find extreme fault with what he plans to do. See we do not base our opinion of a measure based on whether we like the guy who introduced it or not, but rater on what the content of the measure itself is.

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system's broken. cons did more than their fair share to break it. now of course they won't shut up and get out of the way when we're trying to fix their horrendous mistakes. oh well. we'll do it without cons, since they obviously have nothing to contibute except asinine and unfounded doom and gloom stories.
Nothing proposed to date by any Democrat contains any measure to fix anything at all. Doom and gloom stories are all the Democrats ever offered up when Bush was president. Never any alternative solution to a problem, never any new and fresh ideas, just pure criticism and griping. You have no right to complain now that the shoe is on the other foot.

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what happened to make cons so perpetually lazy and frightened? they seem so small, so tiny and ineffectual. it's sad. cons sadden me.
What happened to make Democrats like you so celebrity struck that you would vote for a new holocaust if your celebrity president said it was what we needed?
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oh, when have you cons NOT predicted endless doom and gloom where obama's concerned? buncha chicken littles.

system's broken. cons did more than their fair share to break it. now of course they won't shut up and get out of the way when we're trying to fix their horrendous mistakes. oh well. we'll do it without cons, since they obviously have nothing to contibute except asinine and unfounded doom and gloom stories.

what happened to make cons so perpetually lazy and frightened? they seem so small, so tiny and ineffectual. it's sad. cons sadden me.
Wow, a bunch of attacks with absolutely no substance.

The last I checked, the Demcorats bill will drive up health costs for everyone. I thought the cost of health ccare was the main problem that they were trying to fix.

The last I checked countries with Socialized health care had lower survival rates on basically every cancer and illness there is.

For all cancers, Europe had a much lower survival than the US. Survival for prostate cancer in the US is 91.9% compared to 57.1% in Europe - a 34% difference. The difference for breast cancer survival, however, is 10%. In Europe, the western countries generally had higher cancer survival rates: France led survival for rectum and colon cancers, Sweden led for breast cancer (82%), and Austria led for prostate cancer. Eastern Europe, on the other hand, did not perform as well. Slovakia had the lowest survival rates for rectal cancer in men and breast cancer, and Poland had the lowest survival rates for the other studied cancers.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/115086.php

According to the American Cancer Society there were goong to be 186,320 new cases of prostate cancer diagnosed in the USA in 2008


186,320 * (91.9% - 57.1%) = .348* = 64,839 more men a year would die from prostate cancer alone if we had cancer survival rates like those in other countries with Socialized health care.

That is prostate cancer alone.


So stop with that BS 45,000 people a year die without insurance when Obama could nt even name a real one when he has tried on several occasions.


What about the whole killing off of the seniors to give health care primarily to able bodied people that should be taking responssibility for themselves:

Liberal Robert Reich: What An Honest President Would Say About Health Reform "We're going to have to, if you're very old, we're not going to give you all that technology and all those drugs for the last couple of years of your life to keep you maybe going for another couple of months. It's too expensive...so we're going to let you die."
"...I am going try to reorganize it to be more amenable to treating sick people but that means you, particularly you young people, particularly you young healthy people...you're going to have to pay more."
"...What that means, less innovation and that means less new products and less new drugs on the market which means you are probably not going to live much longer than your parents."


The Republicans have proposed several measures that would increase competition in the insurance industry, and Obama voted agains them such as allowing people to vote across state lines and allowing small businesses to collectively bargain for health insurance to lower costs.

What is ruining our health care industry is that people are not responsible for any of their own costs. That is what is driving up the cost of health insurance so much.
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Here's another of the least of Harry Reid's worries.

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Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.) on Tuesday threatened that he may work with Republicans to torpedo healthcare reform unless he gets a vote to strip abortion-related provisions out of the House bill......
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I bet the US Chamber of Commerce is also the least of Harry Reid's worries.
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WASHINGTON — Looking to build pressure on moderate Democrats, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce says it will begin airing new TV ads in seven states and on national cable television attacking the emerging legislation, including a government-run insurance option.

The chamber, the country's largest business organization, says such a public plan would force tax increases, raise peoples' health care costs and threaten employer-provided coverage that most Americans already have. The ad is slated to start Wednesday.

Chamber spokeswoman Blair Latoff said the ads would run in states including Maine, Louisiana and Arkansas — home to some pivotal moderate senators of both parties.
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I bet party unity is another one of Harry Reid's least worries.

Democrats struggle to find unity on health plan
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n the wake of Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid's announcement that the Democratic bill would include the option of a government insurance plan, moderates in his own party lost no time in voicing their displeasure.....
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... Several Democrats have been honest about where this is headed. They deserve thanks from the public for exposing the truth behind what their party leaders have been telling us. Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s cover-up now includes word games. She thinks the public option should be renamed “the consumer option.” There will be no option for consumers when government undercuts insurance companies, which have fast become Democrats’ Halloween ogres.

Don’t take it from me. Consider Sen. Evan Bayh, D-Ind.: “If it was a public option that was just kind of a stalking horse for a government-run healthcare system, I don’t think that would have a very good chance.” Kudos to Sen. Blanche Lincoln, D-Ark., for saying, “For some in my caucus, when they talk about a public option, they’re talking about another entitlement program and we can’t afford that right now as a nation.”

Imagine that! A Democrat saying we are spending too much as Congress prepares to raise the debt limit to $12 trillion. The deficit is currently at $1.6 trillion.

Sen. Kent Conrad, D-N.D., called the push for the public option “a wasted effort” because the votes aren’t there. Sen. Byron Dorgan, also a North Dakota Democrat, agrees: “I’ve indicated I won’t vote for a bill that’s a government takeover of health insurance, or the healthcare system.” And then there’s Sen. Joe Lieberman, former Democrat and current Independent, who has vowed to join Republicans in a filibuster of any plan that contains a government option. ...
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