Here's the Health care bill (HR 3962) - Page 11

REDRUM · #**101** (**permalink**) 11-02-2009, 08:53 PM

President Obama and the Democrats propose cutting approximately $500 billion dollars from Medicare, a government funded health care system that's one of our largest expenditures depriving our senior citizens, the disabled, the handicapped and the mentally retarded better access to quality health care assistance. Implementing "Obamacare" will cost the American tax payer over $1 trillion dollars further driving up The National Debt and the interest payment on The National Debt. HR 3962 is 1,190 pages of bureaucracy.

SenaxFlatulus · #**102** (**permalink**) 11-02-2009, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by apashack

Regardless of you opinion on the healthcare bill something needs to be done about cost and access to insurance to each of us. If you ever find yourself without insurance as I am you may understand why some Americans want something to change.

I’m a 50 year old self employed male in what I believe to be good health. This is based on a physical I got about 2 months ago. You would think I could get health insurance. Well I can’t. I have been turned down by United Health Care as well as Blue Cross Blue Shield for preexisting conditions in the past month. Those so called conditions are bogus. For example: 3 years ago I was having abdominal pains and went to a Urgent Care Clinic. It was a snowy day and the staff was limited. The doctor diagnosed me with kidney stones. He told me to go home a drink lots of fluids and see if it would pass. He also told me that he couldn’t confirm that I had kidney stones because his x-ray technician was out due to the snow. In other words, my having kidney stones was never verified. The pain went away in 2 days with no treatment what so ever. But now I am tagged for life as having kidney stones. Is this really fair?

Example #2: I am currently on an antidepressant because I am dealing with a 88 year old dieing mother as well as two unemployed children. Am I depressed? Yes, however I’ve only been on meds for 3 months and fully expect the depression to take care of itself in time.

Bottom line is I was turned down for healthcare coverage for those two reasons.

I don’t have all the answers for healthcare but I can assure you that something needs to be done. Being turned down for these reasons in just BS.

I hope the healthcare bill passes personally.

I am sorry for your personal experience. The cost of health care is bad due to excessive government intervention. Cheap health care is not impossible if you eliminate things such as limiting the sale of legitimate competitively priced insurance coverage from companies regardless of state lines. Another is to simply institute tort reform which is driving medical costs, and subsequently insurance costs, up.

What you're hoping for may fix your problem, then again maybe not. What I CAN tell you is that it's not the answer for us all.

No one is saying there shouldn't be reform. It's just that I believe it can be done without a 2000 page document that no one can understand. It can be done without raising our taxes, and it can be done without growing the government bigger than ever.

shpraralain · #**103** (**permalink**) 11-02-2009, 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by apashack

Regardless of you opinion on the healthcare bill something needs to be done about cost and access to insurance to each of us. If you ever find yourself without insurance as I am you may understand why some Americans want something to change.

I’m a 50 year old self employed male in what I believe to be good health. This is based on a physical I got about 2 months ago. You would think I could get health insurance. Well I can’t. I have been turned down by United Health Care as well as Blue Cross Blue Shield for preexisting conditions in the past month. Those so called conditions are bogus. For example: 3 years ago I was having abdominal pains and went to a Urgent Care Clinic. It was a snowy day and the staff was limited. The doctor diagnosed me with kidney stones. He told me to go home a drink lots of fluids and see if it would pass. He also told me that he couldn’t confirm that I had kidney stones because his x-ray technician was out due to the snow. In other words, my having kidney stones was never verified. The pain went away in 2 days with no treatment what so ever. But now I am tagged for life as having kidney stones. Is this really fair?

Example #2: I am currently on an antidepressant because I am dealing with a 88 year old dieing mother as well as two unemployed children. Am I depressed? Yes, however I’ve only been on meds for 3 months and fully expect the depression to take care of itself in time.

Bottom line is I was turned down for healthcare coverage for those two reasons.

I don’t have all the answers for healthcare but I can assure you that something needs to be done. Being turned down for these reasons in just BS.

I hope the healthcare bill passes personally.

I mentioned this several times on various thread.
Yes, something needs to be done. Problems need to be individually identified, explored, and fixed. Plan A and plan B must be put in place.
Fix what's broken, and leave well enough alone. What's wrong with that?

stroll · #**104** (**permalink**) 11-03-2009, 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by SenaxFlatulus

The cost of health care is bad due to excessive government intervention.

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Cheap health care is not impossible if you eliminate things such as limiting the sale of legitimate competitively priced insurance coverage from companies regardless of state lines. Another is to simply institute tort reform which is driving medical costs, and subsequently insurance costs, up.

Oh, you want the government to interfere and institute tort reform, do I understand this correctly? lol

BTeamBomber · #**105** (**permalink**) 11-03-2009, 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by SenaxFlatulus

I've heard and read all the hyperbole about what is supposed to be in the bill, and what some say isn't in the bill. I thought I'd look it up for everyone and post the link here for future reference.

Here's a link to the Pelosi/Democrat plan. (It's in pdf format)

In case you want to read it, it's only about 1990 pages or so. I've got Mike Pence's synopsis on some of the points covered in the bill as follows...

Mike Pence: Reading Guide to the Pelosi Health Care Reform Bill

Don't forget the all important points on

page 457 - required anal probes of all suspected extra terrestrial beings.

page 693 - Aids vaccines given to all homosexuals, while a fake Aids causing injection will be given to every 5th presbyterian.

page 1375 - Every registered Republican is required to abort 3 fetuses before being allowed to actually give birth.

page 1638 - Doctors must always whistle while performing delicate surgeries. Dont' know why this is in there, but its right underneath the fine print.

page page 1700 - All taxpayers must immediately bow down and accept the new, full fledged socialist, Nazi, Communist world order, and pay an additional 5% income tax as a result. All complainers will be waterboarded by ACORN agents posing as MSNBC employees.

The OP is right, making crap up about the healthcare bill is a lot better than actually intepreting it correctly. What other stuff is "right beneath the surface", and how can this thread correctly get moved to the satire and humor section of this website?

Rebellion · #**106** (**permalink**) 11-03-2009, 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Professor Peabody

This travesty isn't due to kick in till 2013. Plenty of time for the new Republican majority in Congress to kill it dead.

YouTube - Single Payer Action Confronts Barney Frank

When folks realize they have been lied to about the true aim of this bill, the landslide of 1994 will look tiny in comparison. This trash is a stepping stone to government run single payer, at least Barney Frank admits it. All those that LIED about you keeping your private insurance will be kicked to the curb if not tried and imprisoned for fraud.

I think 2013 is by design. This way when it falls to (*)(*)(*)(*), and it most certainly will, they can pass the buck and blame whomever is in office at the time.

SenaxFlatulus · #**107** (**permalink**) 11-03-2009, 09:54 AM

Here's Mike Pence's video on the subject.

YouTube - Let Your Voice Be Heard: A Message From...

SenaxFlatulus · #**108** (**permalink**) 11-03-2009, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by stroll

Oh, you want the government to interfere and institute tort reform, do I understand this correctly? lol

Do you need for me to post a link to the definition of the word "excessive?"

Ostap Bender · #**109** (**permalink**) 11-03-2009, 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SenaxFlatulus

I've heard and read all the hyperbole about what is supposed to be in the bill, and what some say isn't in the bill. I thought I'd look it up for everyone and post the link here for future reference.

Here's a link to the Pelosi/Democrat plan. (It's in pdf format)

In case you want to read it, it's only about 1990 pages or so. I've got Mike Pence's synopsis on some of the points covered in the bill as follows...

Mike Pence: Reading Guide to the Pelosi Health Care Reform Bill

ROFL!

1990 pages. Mrs. Pelosy is a great writer - like Mark Twain or anybody else.

SenaxFlatulus · #**110** (**permalink**) 11-03-2009, 10:11 AM

Democrats' concerns over abortion may imperil health bill

So now the abortion issue comes out. It's got many Democrats concerned over how the bill would possibly lead to government sponsored abortions.

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The abortion dispute centers both on federal subsidies that would be provided for people who cannot afford health-care coverage themselves and the much-debated government insurance alternative, which is included in the House version of the bill but is still being debated in the Senate. Under a 1976 law, federal funds are generally barred from being used for abortions, except in cases of rape or incest or to ensure the life of the mother.

Democratic leaders early this summer backed a provision that would allow people to use subsidies under the bill to buy insurance plans that cover abortion, but only funds from individual or employer health-care premiums could go toward paying for an abortion. Effectively, insurance companies would be tasked with segregating money from government payments from those coming from private sources, and only the latter could be used for abortion.

Democrats desperately need their entire majority to support the bill for it to pass. Fractures are beginning to occur.

I smell a quagmire.

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