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Old 11-03-2009, 10:16 AM
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It's got many Democrats concerned over how the bill would possibly lead to government sponsored abortions.
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Everywhere in the western world the libs push "human right" for abortions. IMNSHO all abortions must be prohibited, at least not be financed through goverment.
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Two major hurdles remain for this bill. Abortion and Immigration.

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Determined to avoid being accused of not reading their bill, House Democrats met late Monday to do just that, going over the legislation section by section in a room in the basement of the Capitol. Anti-abortion Democrats were circulating language to strengthen prohibitions in the bill against federal funding of abortion. The bill stipulates that people getting federal subsidies would have to use their own money to get abortions, but that division is not clear enough to satisfy some lawmakers. Lawmakers are considering language that would make a more straightforward declaration against use of federal funds for abortion.
On immigration, it's still not settled whether illegal immigrants would be allowed to shop for insurance within a new purchasing exchange. Some lawmakers say that even if they use their own money to buy private plans they would be getting a benefit from the federally established exchange. The White House does not want illegal immigrants to access the exchange, and the Senate bill would keep them out.



The House Democrat leaders are hoping for a vote by November 11th. Then, it's off to the Senate.

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Something tells me we're going to need a lot of help in understanding the ramifications of all the convoluted wording and cross referencing included within.
What it means is that we don't listen to some right-wing nut like Pence for an unbiased interpretation.
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Everywhere in the western world the libs push "human right" for abortions. IMNSHO all abortions must be prohibited, at least not be financed through goverment.
Government financing of abortion is no worse than government financing of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
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I explained that the new regulations (no pre-existing conditions) were no different, legally speaking, from current regulations (must cover mental health just like other medical claims, for example) of insurance. You responded: "So in essence you're saying this is a continuation of previous stupidity? No thanks!" Then I asked you some questions. I don't see how that's remotely a straw man.

If you aren't against all regulation of the insurance industry, why did you characterize these new regulations as "a continuation of previous stupidity"?
Please provide a link from this thread where I said, "I'm against all regulation of the insurance industry."
I simply *asked* you if that was your position, which is a logical extension of you saying the proposed regulations are "a continuation of previous stupidity".
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Government financing of abortion is no worse than government financing of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Absolutely no difference in killing the unborn and the death of a volunteer serviceman, nope, none at at all...............
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whatever the arguments pro and con, I don't think they are going to be able to get anything passed anytime soon. too many divisions in the Democratic party, and neither GOP or Dems seem willing to compromise
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whatever the arguments pro and con, I don't think they are going to be able to get anything passed anytime soon. too many divisions in the Democratic party, and neither GOP or Dems seem willing to compromise
Go back to the basics, address the problems. Its really simple. But too many are trying to get another notch in their belts instead of trying to fix the HC system. Too much false pride going around.
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