Incredibly good post. The Democrats seem to want a bill so convoluted and cumbersome that knowing what it will do once passed seems impossible. This is not the type of legislation they promised when they requested and received power from the American people last November.

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"When you subsidize poverty and failure, you get more of both." - James Dale Davidson

That's why they will a gigantic chunk of that Power 1 year and again 4 years from now.

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"Government is like a baby. An alimentary canal with a big appetite at one end and no sense of responsibility at the other." - Ronald Reagan

And it is certainly not the transparency they promised either.

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15 A wicked ruler is as dangerous to the poor as a roaring lion or an attacking bear.
16 A ruler with no understanding will oppress his people,
but one who hates corruption will have a long life.
Proverbs 28

http://media.causes.com/576542?p_id=92681239

Not meaning to derail but not sure if this is a current event yet so I decided against making a new topic but i am curious to see the plan the GOP is planning on introducing this week

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125711811707721639.html

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peer reviewed studies and graphs of the Medieval Warming periods can be found at http://www.co2science.org/

We will see how our leftist friends will like it when the time comes for them to have one of those implants.......

The more fiscal details of the health care bills emerge, the more appalling they seem. The Senate Finance Committee bill includes a broad provision taxing all manner of medical devices. This tax includes such frivolous luxuries as pacemakers, stents, artificial heart valves, defibrillators, automated wheelchairs, mechanized artificial limbs, replacement hips and knees, surgical gurneys, laparoscopic equipment, and the like.

President Obama is planning to reduce the cost of medical care by taxing it!

The most recent Gallup Poll reflected that 49% of respondents said they believed that the Obamacare plan will increase their health care costs. Only about 20% said it would lower them. It is taxes like these that substantiate this kind of concern.

The origins of this new medical device tax are troubling as well.

The medical device industry had its day at the White House as did the insurance industry, the drug makers, the nurses, and the doctors. In turn, each group heard the White House request that they come up with voluntary cuts in their health care costs and support Obama’s proposed changes in return for assurances that Congress would not impose deeper cuts (or, in the case of the doctors, that it would actually rescind cuts already scheduled under current statutes).

But, unlike all these other groups, the medical device industry refused the deal. This posture enraged the tyrants in the White House who vowed to punish the industry with cuts imposed by Congress. The result was a decision by the revenue-hungry Senate Finance Committee to extract billions in funds from the industry.

The legislation does not work like a sales or excise tax. Rather it follows the model of the punitive tobacco settlement imposed on cigarette companies in the 90s. It assesses an industry-wide payment which firms must make in proportion to their market share. It bars the them from passing along the cost of the assessment by charging more for certain basic products, but allows them to raise the price of others to raise the funds for the fee.

So, the result will be that virtually every piece of advanced surgical equipment will be subject to a price increase to meet the levy from Washington. No matter that these devices often make the difference between life and death and that, in effect, taxing them raises the cost of vital treatments. The vengeful White House will have its pound of flesh from the medical device industry for daring to be independent and to refuse to knuckle down to Administration pressure!

This tax, imposed in a spirit of haughty arrogance, falls on totally inappropriate objects. Valves, prosthetic limbs, pacemakers, hearing aids, and such are essential therapies that make life longer, better, and less painful. To tax them makes no sense. Except in the world of sharp elbows and interest group politics that grips this take-no-prisoners and show-no-mercy White House.
SOURCE

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15 A wicked ruler is as dangerous to the poor as a roaring lion or an attacking bear.
16 A ruler with no understanding will oppress his people,
but one who hates corruption will have a long life.
Proverbs 28

http://media.causes.com/576542?p_id=92681239

The problem is that the language used to write this kind of thing upon first reading sounds ambiguous and benigne. Look at what it says boldened in red:

(c) LIMITATIONON INDIVIDUAL HEALTH INSURANCE
COVERAGE.—
(1) INGENERAL.—Individual health insurance
coverage that is not grandfathered health insurance
coverage under subsection (a) may only be offered
on or after the first day of Y1 as an Exchange-par-
ticipating health benefits plan.

This seems to say that unless it is grandfathered in it will not be available, Ask yourself, who will decide if it is or is not to be grandfathered?, and further in connection to other provisions of the bill or provisions of other bills, how will it be taxed, because this bill seems to suggest that unless you have the government option, your health care benefits will be taxed as income.

So you may sling accusations about if you wish, thats fine, but I am thinking about what I read, combined with the sure knowledge that these leftists do not have my best interest at heart, I will error on the side of extreme caution. While pretending to say other wise, Chairman Obama and his merry band of leftists want to do you in the ass, and you will not know until it is too late.

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No signature because it was too long. I guess.

That is precisly the apathy and uncommited thinking that the leftist losers are counting on to get this thging through. The language is the intent, and that it is so large and intimidateing and filled with legalese and it references other already existing legislation that creates a confusing and muddied conversation because we do not know for sure what this monstrosity really means. So to say that the first two points are ambiguous and unclear is just the response that these leftists want you to have, while all the while the ruination of you life because you are forced to abandon all choices to a government breaucracy and are at the mercy of these assclowns.

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No signature because it was too long. I guess.

So, all the nuts who claimed to have read the bill 2 months ago at the staged "town hall" meetings were liars?

You even have "Fake tan" Boehner admitting this is the first bill yesterday.

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No substance but personal attacks. Good one.

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15 A wicked ruler is as dangerous to the poor as a roaring lion or an attacking bear.
16 A ruler with no understanding will oppress his people,
but one who hates corruption will have a long life.
Proverbs 28

http://media.causes.com/576542?p_id=92681239

If this IS the Bill, then were the tea baggers lying when they said hey read it 2 months ago?

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