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Old 12-04-2005, 05:35 PM
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If it wasn't getting closer to the finals here at college I would go and look this up myself but since I really don't have the time at the moment I was hoping that someone would be able to help me out on the issue. The question came during my World Affairs class, my Naderite teacher was compiling about how during the Cold War the Conservatives (BTW according to him root of all evil and direct phone line to Satan) made up lies about the soviets in order to enlarge the "military Industrial Complex". When I brought up many Communist notions on "World Revolution" he stated that after Stalin no communist nor leader believed in such a thing and only the Leninist outside of the Soviet Union truly believed in a world revolution.

Now I thought that although Stalin did state this one upon a time he eventually changed his mind and went back to the Leninist line of the party (world revolution). I also recall that the whole part of the story "Animal Farm" where Napoleon took Snowballs idea of the windmill after he ran Snowball out of the farm was basically Orwell 's comparison to Stalin saying how world revolution was originally his idea after first arguing against it (his one state communism) but later embracing the idea of a world revolution. Like wise in the book Napoleon said the "windmill" would never work but after kicking Snowball out embraced the idea as his own. He said it was some "Fox News Propaganda" and simply not how it happened. Can anyone help me out either way, I'm pretty sure I am right on the issue but not 100 percent.
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Old 12-04-2005, 06:55 PM
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If it wasn't getting closer to the finals here at college I would go and look this up myself but since I really don't have the time at the moment I was hoping that someone would be able to help me out on the issue. The question came during my World Affairs class, my Naderite teacher was compiling about how during the Cold War the Conservatives (BTW according to him root of all evil and direct phone line to Satan) made up lies about the soviets in order to enlarge the "military Industrial Complex". When I brought up many Communist notions on "World Revolution" he stated that after Stalin no communist nor leader believed in such a thing and only the Leninist outside of the Soviet Union truly believed in a world revolution.

Now I thought that although Stalin did state this one upon a time he eventually changed his mind and went back to the Leninist line of the party (world revolution). I also recall that the whole part of the story "Animal Farm" where Napoleon took Snowballs idea of the windmill after he ran Snowball out of the farm was basically Orwell 's comparison to Stalin saying how world revolution was originally his idea after first arguing against it (his one state communism) but later embracing the idea of a world revolution. Like wise in the book Napoleon said the "windmill" would never work but after kicking Snowball out embraced the idea as his own. He said it was some "Fox News Propaganda" and simply not how it happened. Can anyone help me out either way, I'm pretty sure I am right on the issue but not 100 percent.
In the election of 1960 Kennedy ran to the right of Vice President Nixon by claiming that the USA had a "missile gap" with the Soviet Union and blamed Ike and Nixon for falling behind. The USA was ahead and he knew better but Nixon couldn't lay out statistics to disprove Kennedy because the numbers were classified. Both parties were super-hawkish in those days and both liberals and conservatives profited from exaggerating the size of the Soviet armed forces. The Army-McCarthy hearings were still fresh in American's minds. Bobby Kennedy actually worked for Joe McCarthy.
Re the Industrial Military Complex: This was a phrase Eisenhower used in his farewell speech to the country. He warned that there was a military industrial complex and that it was a threat to democracy. I think he had it exactly right.
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Lenin was actually more of an expansionist than Stalin. The original intent of both Marx and Lenin was to start Communist revolutions worldwide. Trotsky, who was more socially tolerant than Lenin, wanted to continue along those basic lines. This ideology is known as international communism, and it was followed to some extent after Stalin's death. However, while Stalin was in power, he focused on maintaining control of Russia, and he took territory only when it seemed like a sure bet. Stalin never fully believed in Communism; he believed in gaining power in the name of Communism. It was more practical to him, therefore, not to overextend his resources and lose total control of Russia. Stalinism is a form of national communism, which features greater extremes of authoritarianism than Marx, Lenin or Trotsky had wanted. Trotsky in particular was an idealist who wanted to move to the theoretical utopian stage of communism more quickly, and he even criticized Lenin on occasion. When Lenin died in 1924, a struggle for control of the U.S.S.R. between Trotsky and Stalin occurred. Stalin gained full control of the Soviet Union by 1928, and Trotsky went into exile in Mexico, where he was murdered by agents of Stalin in 1940. After Stalin's death in 1953 (which some believe was a poisoning), policies within the Soviet Union tended to be a compromise between national and international communism. Is that helpful?
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