http://www.newsday.com/news/nationwo...news-headlines

Hunt brings Nixon down with him.

Ford dies - Nixon was guilty.

Clinton and lewinsky - Nixon comparison

you guys will never be able to rehabilitate Nixon's legacy.

And why should it be rehabilitated?

He represented the worst traits of Paleoconservatism. He forced us to collectively bend over and grab our ankles for Red China...he deserves to be villified for that alone as far as I am concerned.

I could live with the fact that he was a racist sexist anti-semetic homophobe...all I would ask is that he didnt lick the PRC's butthоle while in office. Was that really too much to ask?



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Nixon a paleoconservative???? Nixon was from the old wave of "moderate" republicans. He started the EPA. He was the author modern anti-white discrimination with the Philadelphia Plan. He issued wage and price controls. He famously said "We're all Keynsians now." There's nothing about him that was conservative.



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I'm delighted that Nixon subjected the USA to Cointelpro , a program that is currently being expanded. Hope the FBI don't pull you over for a 'conspiracy' charge.

First, the link doesn't relate in any way to the posted subject.

Second, Nixon deserves all the criticism that can be heaped upon him, he was a megalomaniac and flip-flopped everyone in the political spectrum.

Third, no true Conservative will ever have the blame for US involvement in a "limited war". By that I mean a true Conservative will always go to war when it is a REAL war, when we, the US, uses its full military force to overwhelm and win the war in the shortest possible time. Conservatives are either at war with all guns blazing, or we stay at home and keep out of trouble.

Fourth, no true Conservative would ever use price and wage controls to control the economy as Nixon did. Conservatives believe in limited governmental involvement in the private business sector.

Fifth, diplomatic engagement (as Nixon did with China) is one of the few foreign involvements that Conservatives support. For God's sake, if you can't talk to someone to resolve differences how can you ever get to know each other. His concessions on Taiwan were not in the US interest - although in truth, the confused status of Taiwan is the one thing that sees to have saved it and allowed it to become a strong democracy.

Sixth, no one ever uses the term paleoconservative, other than in a pejorative sense. It has no well defined or even commonly accepted definition. I suggest you use the term conservative when talking about people such as Eisenhower, and ultra-conservative when speaking about the likes of Pat Buchanan or Barry Goldwater. If you strive for accuracy, and not writing flair, the terms financial conservative, social conservative, and political conservative have much clearer definitions. Of course, neo-conservative has a clear meaning...but realistically does not come close to conservatives beliefs in any sense of the word. Probably a better term is "Fundamentalist-democratic fascist". http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm

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Did I stutter?

In what way WASNT he a Paleocon?

"Moderate" and "Paleocon" are not mutually exclusive terms. Pat Buchanan is a moderate paleocon.

Well, pretty much everyone else disagrees.

Paleocons maybe. No neocon would have ever supported holding hands with a commie nation the way Nixon did with China.

I am not interested in getting to know someone I consider evil. I am only interested in assimilating them or destroying them.

We should not be talking to those people. It makes us a party to their oppression.

I do. It is descriptive of what they are. It is only an insult if you dont like the description.

Neocon is often used as an insult, but it doesnt bother me when people call me a neocon. My views ARE neoconservative...so why shouldnt they call me that?

As far as I know Pat Buchanan doesnt have a problem being called a paleocon.

Yeah it does. Here is are two definitions for you:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleoconservatism
http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Paleoconservatism

Their definition seems parallel to mine for the most part.

Compromising with communists does not seem ultraconservative to me. Sorry.

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Do you hate Clinton for the same reason?

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That was one thing about Clinton I definitely didnt like.

But Clinton isnt a racist sexist homophobic anti-semite, and Clinton did show a backbone with Saddam (something Nixon probably would not have done)...so that mitigates him somewhat.

It would be nice if Bush was more anti-PRC, but if he was, he wouldnt have been elected. It wouldnt have pissed off a majority of Americans, but it would have pissed off enough people to keep him out of office. He did confront China on Taiwan (which Clinton would never have done). So he scored points with me for that.

Bush isnt a true neo-con IMO, but he is closer than either Nixon or Clinton.

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First off I find it HILARIOUS that the right is now going after Nixon a president who'm I have herad nothing but excuses for from the rightwing since the 1980's.

Secondly, CLinton did confrint china and even moved aircraft carriers into the region to make his point back in 1999.

If by "rightwing" you mean the paleocons, then that is correct. I havnt heard any neocons defending him.

Ironically, the left doesnt bash Nixon much either, because he was Pro-environmentalist and because he kissed China's aѕs. There was nothing remotely neocon about Nixon.

Source please.

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