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Teachers are dropping controversial subjects such as the Holocaust and the Crusades from history lessons because they do not want to cause offence to children from certain races or religions, a report claims.

A lack of factual knowledge among some teachers, particularly in primary schools, is also leading to “shallow” lessons on emotive and difficult subjects, according to the study by the Historical Association.

The report, produced with funding from the Department for Education, said that where teachers and staff avoided emotive and controversial history, their motives were generally well intentioned.

“Staff may wish to avoid causing offence or appearing insensitive to individuals or groups in their classes. In particular settings, teachers of history are unwilling to challenge highly contentious or charged versions of history in which pupils are steeped at home, in their community or in a place of worship,” it concluded.

However, it was concerned that this could lead to divisions within school, and that it might also put pupils off history.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle1600686.ece

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Does it say how widespread this is? I mean from what the article said this could have been one school or system wide...

oh those (*)(*)(*)(*) liberals, they're out to ruin everyone's fun. You know one would think something like the holocaust would be one of the few areas where a left/right line doesn't have to be draw, but once again this board proved me wrong.

Now if I were to act like most people on this forum I would start spouting crap about how the nazis were on the right so therefore the GOP is somehow equivalently...
Not only in the US, the left is worldwide.
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Does it say how widespread this is? I mean from what the article said this could have been one school or system wide...

oh those (*)(*)(*)(*) liberals, they're out to ruin everyone's fun. You know one would think something like the holocaust would be one of the few areas where a left/right line doesn't have to be draw, but once again this board proved me wrong.

Now if I were to act like most people on this forum I would start spouting crap about how the nazis were on the right so therefore the GOP is somehow equivalently...
Not only in the US, the left is worldwide.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1770
That link say that teachers dont want to teach the crusades because christians fought off muslims for control of jerusalam and this FACT might contradict what is taught in some mosques.

Here is one of my main beefs with muslims...they look to their spiritual leaders for historical enlightenment, political/military/medical expertise, etc.
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Does it say how widespread this is? I mean from what the article said this could have been one school or system wide...

oh those (*)(*)(*)(*) liberals, they're out to ruin everyone's fun. You know one would think something like the holocaust would be one of the few areas where a left/right line doesn't have to be draw, but once again this board proved me wrong.

Now if I were to act like most people on this forum I would start spouting crap about how the nazis were on the right so therefore the GOP is somehow equivalently...
Not only in the US, the left is worldwide.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1770
That link say that teachers dont want to teach the crusades because christians fought off muslims for control of jerusalam and this FACT might contradict what is taught in some mosques.

Here is one of my main beefs with muslims...they look to their spiritual leaders for historical enlightenment, political/military/medical expertise, etc.
Exactly mine too. They steal money from their own people, and blame the Jews in Israel. Just like Arafat. Thank you lefties, for giving him the nobel peace prize.
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I had a junior high English teacher that was really big on teaching the Holocaust (though I'm not sure what it had to do with English). We had a field trip to the Holocaust museum.
Every time WWII was visited, the Holocaust was at least a background issue... though it had to be kept brief for time's sake.
I didn't have to see nasty footage in great length till a college course on the Middle East (the prof showed as part of an attempt to give both sides of the Israel-Palestine conflict)...
The Crusades? I have never heard much about them in school. Glossed over. Then again, US History typically took precedence over world history and my "World Studies" high school teacher was very Catholic.

I'm not sure how much I care. For one, it sucks when things are left out simply due to offense. It's better to cover all sides than no sides... so long as it's important stuff. The Holocaust and Crusades strike me as world-shaking events... but on the other hand... grade school history classes never cover anything in detail. Too much to cover. Their main point is to give basics and let interest guide those who like history to more specific courses in college.
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I had a junior high English teacher that was really big on teaching the Holocaust (though I'm not sure what it had to do with English). We had a field trip to the Holocaust museum.
Every time WWII was visited, the Holocaust was at least a background issue... though it had to be kept brief for time's sake.
My education was similiar...but speaking of time restrictions, it's only gonna get worse. Every day, another page in history is written and in 10 years students will have to take in more information in the same amount of time, undoubtedly good history will find its way to the cutting room floor.
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Is the Jewish Holocaust History?

I’m not being facetious. In the 50’s my play ground was Changi POWs camp Singapore, in the 60’s I lived in Geilenkirchen (which still had patched up bullet holes in all the houses on the high street) and visited Bergen Belsen (before it was a museum piece). Aarchen still had the tank entrapments around it, pill boxes were all over the countryside. Arnem/Arnhem museum was a scrap yard where all the destroyed tanks had been drop off at.

At school History was taught but only up to 1066. The Crusades and other “contemporary” subjects were left for the student to read up in their own time.

The out come is I now have one wall in the bedroom that is bookshelves, 1/6 is on the Holocaust, 1/6 is on the Middle East (crusades included), 1/6 is autobiographies, 1/6 is on pre 1066 history (Roman Greek Persian Egyptian and Anglo Saxon) and 1/3 on a range of historical subjects.

If a person is interested in how their world was shaped they will find material, I would has said books a few years ago but the Internet is a short step away.

My point is it only up to teachers to teach all subjects or can parents and friends be influential?
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Well, Ash, I think I agree that interest is what should shape most people's studies of history. Schools need to give a base for learning and I think people get too hung up on the specifics.
The most important part of history for Americans to understand is American History as it will contain bits and pieces of the formation of American culture. It is the one that they will most easily make connections between history and its results. So I'd imagine each country should focus first and foremost on its own history, then include a wide but undetailed summary of world history, focusing on points with key historic ideas.
The Holocaust is such an idea in that it is a recent and well-documented example of what humans are capable of when they ignore the evil going on around them or simply follow orders. Seems an important lesson... but one too nasty for children prior to high school age.
But then again I also think that it's more important to look at the dawn of civilization in great detail than at the World Wars and the Renaissance... but they just don't bother.
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duh, not all of them apparently. i sure as hell don't remember anything negative said about the us in my elementary school. maybe there needs to be more oversight in this area.
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Well, Ash, I think I agree that interest is what should shape most people's studies of history. Schools need to give a base for learning and I think people get too hung up on the specifics.
The most important part of history for Americans to understand is American History as it will contain bits and pieces of the formation of American culture. It is the one that they will most easily make connections between history and its results. So I'd imagine each country should focus first and foremost on its own history, then include a wide but undetailed summary of world history, focusing on points with key historic ideas.
The Holocaust is such an idea in that it is a recent and well-documented example of what humans are capable of when they ignore the evil going on around them or simply follow orders. Seems an important lesson... but one too nasty for children prior to high school age.
But then again I also think that it's more important to look at the dawn of civilization in great detail than at the World Wars and the Renaissance... but they just don't bother.
Is it too nasty for younger children? In the RAF cinema we had a few Concentration camp films that were shown to family audiences, I was about 5 or 6 when I first noticed them.

Is there time for world History even a glossary?

Mind I would like to see "Contemporary Political Science" covering 20th century being taught as a separate subject and not called History. To many events of importance to modern life occurred to be given the title of History and tucked away out of sight..
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