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    Quote Originally Posted by wyly View Post
    MU is absolute myth....Ainu are not european, definitely oriental ...
    Myth like the Hobbit (Homo Floriensis) of the Pacific Islands ( Mu could just be the Earlier builders of Nan madol type structures or underwater ruins of Southern Japanese Islands

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    Quote Originally Posted by SFJEFF View Post
    I haven't seen any strong support for colonization from Pacific Islands, though I agree it seems likely that Polynesians could have reached especially South America. And the DNA study you refer to at the end seems to contradict any likely Pacific Islander colonization.
    from my daughter the archeologist...there is evidence of Polynesian contact in the Americas but it's still early days in the investigation...chicken bones in chile have the unique DNA of Polynesian chickens, chickens don't swim and they don't fly so the assumption is someone brought them, there is a vegetable found in s.e. Asia that is south American in origin(I can't recall the plant's name, sorry) and it doesn't float, again suggesting human transportation...and there is other cultural evidence in American societies that suggest cultural contact with the Polynesians...none of which suggests that a lasting Polynesian presence(DNA) was left behind...

    hard evidence points to the earliest human occupation in the Americas at 14K ybp, but my archeologist says it is suspected to be much earlier but the required definitive evidence is still not in place...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gator Monroe View Post
    Myth like the Hobbit (Homo Floriensis) of the Pacific Islands ( Mu could just be the Earlier builders of Nan madol type structures or underwater ruins of Southern Japanese Islands
    complete fiction invented by Augustus Le Plongeon, and he placed it in the Atlantic...
    the "structures" off southern japan have not been shown to be anything but natural, nature can do weird stuff...

    giants causeway Ireland...completely natural and not man made

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mushroom View Post
    This is the problem of going off of inaccurate and dated information. You are pulling up a record that is well over a decade old.

    Here, how about some real scientific research into this skeleton?

    http://www.nps.gov/archeology/kennewick/powell_rose.htm
    excellent source...

    For example, it is gaining some acceptance that among the earliest groups to emmigrate to the Americas there may well be some Europeans. One of the largest puzzles in the anthropological record is the Clovis Point. For a century, archaeologists have been trying to find out how this amazing spear point was created, and by who. It is most puzzling, since the point is nothing like what those that crossed the Bering Land Bridge, or cmae across from the Pacific Islands used. Those cultures used more of a "knitting needle" type of a point. They also had a haft, which was tied into the spear, like an arrow head.

    And the closest Old World spear head from that era came from France.
    european emigration is barely plausible but still it can't be ruled either...similar lithic tools is interesting but not an absolute connection, different people can develop the same technology without ever being in contact with each other...

    Yet, they also clamp onto and claim that early Paleo-Indians are Caucasian, when they are in fact are not. Instead, why don't they dump the lies and grab onto a theory which has a lot of supporters, the Solutrean Theory (which was created by members of the... Smithsonian Institution). Which has East to West migrations of Europeans crossing along the edge of the ice pack from Europe to Greenland then to the Americas.

    A lot of anthropologists accept this as fact. The fossil record appears to support it. And even the DNA record appears to point strongly to an introduction of European DNS strands in the mix of modern Indians.
    a lot accept this as fact? you're overstating it, some suggest, and there is little to no evidence supporting it...
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    [I]The first analysis of craniometric data utilized the primary variable set of 52 dimensions (Table 2). In the canonical discriminant analysis of the primary variables, Kennewick falls between modern Amerindians and southeast Asian groups (Figure 2), a pattern noted for other ancient North American remains by Steele and Powell (1992, 1994). When the size-corrected data are used to generate posterior probabilities of group membership, the Kennewick individual has the greatest probability of inclusion in the South Japan sample (pposterior = 0.9861), followed by the South Pacific Moriori (pposterior = 0.0081) and North American Arikara (pposterior = 0.0021) samples.
    This is very interesting because there also exists another possible link between the Japanese and Native Americans. Betty Meggers has shown similarities of pottery fragments found in Japan and Ecuador. She contended that Japanese Middle Jomon pottery was similar to ceramics from the Valdivia site in Ecuador—both dating between 2000 and 3000 B.C.. Meggers has also stated that plants and parasites of Japanese origin are found among Andean populations. Particularly, a subtype of the HTLV-1 retrovirus was found in two ancient Bolivian desert mummies. Until the recent discovery, the virus was thought to be endemic only to a small region in southern japan. The virus spreads only by sexual contact. The Jomon culture was also based in the southern islands of Japan.

    So the evidence seems to be pointing to the the Americas being populated by descendants of the southern Japanese.

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    that South American plant found in Polynesia? the sweet potato, and it's propagated by cutting shoots...it's been in Polynesia at least 1000 yrs...Polynesian chickens in s America, s American sweet potato across the pacific, it's circumstantial but quite strong that Polynesian sailors reached the americas ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by wyly View Post
    european emigration is barely plausible but still it can't be ruled either...similar lithic tools is interesting but not an absolute connection, different people can develop the same technology without ever being in contact with each other...

    a lot accept this as fact? you're overstating it, some suggest, and there is little to no evidence supporting it...
    The idea of Europeans reaching North America in prehistoric times is not new. The theory has been raised over and over again. But the problem is that we are dealing almost entirely with a fossil record that largely does not exist any longer. And what fossils that were created most likely are now resting several hundred feet under the ocean.

    And do not forget the Inuit Culture. This is the descendent culture of earlier cultures that truely circle the globe. And they stretch from Greenland and Iceland to what is now Canada and Alaska. And smaller groups are also found in Russia. Nobody is really suggesting the kind of "colonization" that happened in the 15th century. But more likely a slow movement of seperate family groups, who likely settled along the East Coast, and largely lived as Fishermen.

    And both the rising sea level at the end of the ice age and the greater numbers of Asiatic paleo-Indians simply absorbed these groups.

    Most anthropoligists accept that the American Continent was most likely settled by multiple waves of people migrating to this continent. Most from North Asia, and a scattered from from the Pacific Islands and even Europe. There is even some research into possible minor emmigrations from Africa to South America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anders Hoveland View Post
    This is very interesting because there also exists another possible link between the Japanese and Native Americans. Betty Meggers has shown similarities of pottery fragments found in Japan and Ecuador. She contended that Japanese Middle Jomon pottery was similar to ceramics from the Valdivia site in Ecuador—both dating between 2000 and 3000 B.C.. Meggers has also stated that plants and parasites of Japanese origin are found among Andean populations. Particularly, a subtype of the HTLV-1 retrovirus was found in two ancient Bolivian desert mummies. Until the recent discovery, the virus was thought to be endemic only to a small region in southern japan. The virus spreads only by sexual contact. The Jomon culture was also based in the southern islands of Japan.

    So the evidence seems to be pointing to the the Americas being populated by descendants of the southern Japanese.
    the pottery is really questionable, assuming a expansion from japan through eastern siberia across the bearing sea region and down the coast of americas even if done by sea could take a only thousand years, it's hard to accept a pottery tradition could be maintained through the trantition of northern regions where is there is no pottery being done...
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    The theory is that some of the Jomon fled on fishing boats when there was a huge volcanic erruption. They then sailed across the Pacific ocean to the Americas. Such an oddyssey is not completely unrealistic. The Polynesians reached all the way to Easter Island. A norwegian man later proved that the polynesians could have sailed to South America.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kon-Tiki
    Last edited by Anders Hoveland; Dec 21 2011 at 12:43 PM.

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    Pottery, Tools, Remains, structures & such with dates up to & beyond 17k years will be more commonplace finds in WESTERN Hemisphere including the Americas.

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