Thread: Honest Abe...???

Mr. BS! You have been seen backing up to the mail box....This site needs money...not honey!

Originally Posted by pwillie

All part of the plan,Lincoln used the absence of the court.Lincoln knew that war and only war was the salvation of the North.The Northern Bankers conspired with Lincoln to make the South subserviant,and to Lincoln's credit,he succeeded. But didn't live to reap the glory..As all war mongers,they are left to their own fates.

The war mongers were in the south, they alone advocated war. There was no conspiracy by banks to neuter the south, the south was well on the way to doing it to itself. For once I would have to say that moral outrage over slavery was the driving force in the North not politics. The south incorrectly believed that the Constitution provided them with cover and that the North could not summon the courage to sustain a war. I said Lincoln did not want war, but he did want a Union and the war saved that. In these hard times we should come together, not fight losing battles over past mistakes. This is a polarizing debate not good for both sides.

Originally Posted by clarkatticus

The war mongers were in the south, they alone advocated war. There was no conspiracy by banks to neuter the south, the south was well on the way to doing it to itself. For once I would have to say that moral outrage over slavery was the driving force in the North not politics. The south incorrectly believed that the Constitution provided them with cover and that the North could not summon the courage to sustain a war. I said Lincoln did not want war, but he did want a Union and the war saved that. In these hard times we should come together, not fight losing battles over past mistakes. This is a polarizing debate not good for both sides.

Again,this was MR. Lincoln's war! This was not about slavery! Slavery was used as a reason for fighting it.Do you really believe the people of the North were fighting this war over Slavery? Even Lincoln himself said it wasn't about slavery!Who do you think financed the war? John Brown didn't....Lincoln used slavery to meet the ends of his aggression....We lost two banks this week to Northern aggression of financial institutions.This war still goes on through reparations...when will we ever pay them off?...Its all about money!

Originally Posted by pwillie

Again,this was MR. Lincoln's war! This was not about slavery! Slavery was used as a reason for fighting it.Do you really believe the people of the North were fighting this war over Slavery? Even Lincoln himself said it wasn't about slavery!Who do you think financed the war? John Brown didn't....Lincoln used slavery to meet the ends of his aggression....We lost two banks this week to Northern aggression of financial institutions.This war still goes on through reparations...when will we ever pay them off?...Its all about money!

Slavery was the moral cause to the war and also the sticking point in political debates in Congress. The South defended it and wanted more slave states equal in number. The Missouri-Kansas conflict(s) brought the issue to resolution. Had the South a legitimate and moral reason for slavery the war would not have happened, they did not. Saying "states rights" allows them to secede because they wanted to expand slavery and it was their right is a stain on the South that exists today and anyone who defends slavery should bow their head in shame.

Originally Posted by BleedingHeadKen

What was the basis for killing hundreds of thousands of people and wrecking various economies in order to prevent people from exercising their right of free association?

It seems that if the Constitution allows for that, perhaps it is not a document to be praised nor are it's agents and their opinions people to be held up as laudable or worthy of our respect and honor.

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Honest Abe...???

the US Supreme Court decided that issue a long time ago

Originally Posted by Mr_Truth

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Honest Abe...???

the US Supreme Court decided that issue a long time ago

AS far as extending slavery,it was for the purpose of political equality! Slavery was and now is wrong in my opinion,but so is Federal laws that keep states from exercising their rights...Each State is a nation unto itself,if that wasn't the case,just federalize all the states and have one national constitution.

Originally Posted by pwillie

AS far as extending slavery,it was for the purpose of political equality! Slavery was and now is wrong in my opinion,but so is Federal laws that keep states from exercising their rights...Each State is a nation unto itself,if that wasn't the case,just federalize all the states and have one national constitution.

Telling a State that slavery is wrong and must be ended is the absolute right and responsibility of any Federal government, any state that perpetuates the institution is is immoral and doesn't deserve the right to govern even the smallest entity-human rights trump all rights. The debate on what is actually state rights will always be an issue and we do need opposing views to control an over-reaching Federal government. In the end, though, it is the popular vote and the Supreme Court that decides many of these issues and as you noted, the Federal Government is getting stronger. Some of this wrong, some of it is necessary in a world economy and a changing world.

If you don't like particular state law,move to a state that has laws you like!Diversity is all about separate states and their laws.Why should I live in a state that promotes unemployment when I can live in one that doesn't?Thats the reason of having different states,so you can choose the one that fits your best situation.For example,Florida has no income tax law...Alabama does.....so if I choose to live in Alabama,I choose to pay state tax..if I don't like it,I can move.Because of different situations,some states have the "Right to work law"...some don't.Either move,vote it out,or live with it...Thats "States Rights"The Federal government should be in charge of the Military and National Security,not what a sovereign state does...Courts should only go as high as state law.Water seeks its own level and the other laws would balance out.

Originally Posted by pwillie;

AS far as extending slavery,it was for the purpose of political equality! Slavery was and now is wrong in my opinion,but so is Federal laws that keep states from exercising their rights...Each State is a nation unto itself,if that wasn't the case,just federalize all the states and have one national constitution.

Extending slavery promotes political equality for slaves? States do not have the right to have or extend slavery. Read the US Constitution and the supremacy clause as well as the 13-15th Amendments.

The government you describe is called "The Articles Of Confederation"-they were superseded by the US Constitution, a living document that is constantly being interpreted by the Supreme Court in the light of our growing and maturing nation. It is the nature of people to fear change and no one group will be completely satisfied. I could move to a conservative state like Montana or Idaho and freeze my huevos off, or move to wacko (not such a bad thing, at least it's interesting) Florida and sweat my huevos off, or choose to make a great living in California where the weather is uniformly wonderful. This state is full of ex-Texans and ex-New Englanders who whine about all things California and never leave. A lot of folks do do well here because they don't have the work ethic of the Mexican's and have trouble keeping jobs.