Who are the Turanians ?

Çaka · #1 (**permalink**) 07-15-2008, 08:14 AM

WELCOME to the realm of the Turanians. The Turanians are a family of related ethno-linguistic groups: the Hungarians, the peoples of the Caucasus, the Uralic group (Finnic and West Siberian peoples), and the Altaic group (Turkic, Mongolian, Tungus-Manchu, Korean and Japanese peoples). The Turanians are the indigenous inhabitants of vast territories in Eurasia and have a rich and ancient cultural heritage.

In this thread , I present cultural, historical, and other background information concerning the Turanian peoples and their lands, focusing on some of the most important issues facing them: the preservation of their cultural identity and natural environment, and their struggle for self-determination.

Throughout history, the Turanian lands have been invaded by foreigners: Semites, Persians, Chinese, Greeks, Romans, Slavs, and Germanic peoples. In many cases, the indigenous Turanian peoples have been and are still subjected to genocide, colonization, deportation, or assimilation. Foreign rule has not only caused great losses in demographic and cultural terms, but also economically and environmentally as severe damages have been inflicted by the exploitation and pollution of the Turanian lands by states such as Russia (formerly the Soviet Union) and China. Faced with all these hardships, the Turanian peoples are struggling to preserve their distinct cultural identity and to reassert their rights.

Among the main challenges facing the Turanian nations today are the severe environmental, political, economic, ethnic, demographic, social, and cultural problems created by the communist regimes of the former Soviet Bloc and China. In many cases, the communist elites of the former Soviet Bloc have managed to remain in control of the state apparatus with the help of the financial resources illegally gained from the privatization of the state assets. These corrupt "post-communist" regimes in east-central Europe and the former Soviet Union, as well as the remaining communist regimes in Asia, are an obstacle to democracy, and to the political, economic and cultural self-determination of the peoples of the region.

TURANIAN ORIGINS
The historical geographical name of Turan refers to the area East of the Caspian sea. Archeological research has shown that this area saw the development of a highly evolved civilization of Sumerian (Mesopotamian) origin (S.P. Tolstov: Ancient Chorasmia). The Sumerians were the creators of the first known civilization, the inventors of agriculture, metallurgy, the wheel, writing, and astronomy, among others (S.N. Kramer: History begins at Sumer).

The 19th century researchers who discovered and studied the ancient Mesopotamian Sumerian language determined that it was related to the Turanian languages (M. Érdy: The Sumerian Ural-Altaic Magyar Relationship). Comparative linguistic analysis indicates that of all known ethno-linguistic groups, the Hungarian, Turkic, Caucasian and Finnic languages are by far the closest to Sumerian (K. Gosztony: Dictionnaire d'étymologie sumérienne et grammaire comparée). This is confirmed by archeological and anthropological evidence which shows that thousands of years ago, the Sumerians and other related Near Eastern peoples settled in the vast region of Central Eurasia from the Carpathian basin to the Altai mountains, from the Urals and Siberia to Iran and India (L. Götz: Keleten Kel a Nap (The Sun Rises in the East)).

The descendants of these Sumerian-related peoples were known as the Scythians, Sarmatians, Medes, Parthians, Chorasmians, Kushans, Huns, Avars, Bulgars, Khazars and Magyars, among others, and gave rise to the Finnic and Turkic-Mongolian ethnic groups. These Turanian peoples created flourishing cultures and states which exerted a determining influence on the peripheral Eurasian cultures of Europe, the Middle East, Persia, India, and China, as well as on the formation of the various Eurasian ethno-linguistic groups.

See Historical Chronology

continued. . .

Çaka · #2 (**permalink**) 07-15-2008, 08:39 AM

1)
East Turkestan (under Chinese occupation).

2)
Turkestan Region

3)
ETHNOGRAPHIC MAP OF HISTORICAL HUNGARY based on the 1910 census, showing the effects of the centuries of foreign colonization of Hungary which altered the ethnic composition of the previously homogenous Hungarian population of the Carpathian Basin

Continued. . .

Çaka · #3 (**permalink**) 07-15-2008, 08:40 AM

4)
Caspian Region

5)
Caucasia Region

6)
West Siberia And Northern Urals

7)
Sibiria

Çaka · #4 (**permalink**) 07-15-2008, 10:15 AM

8 )
South Siberia

9)
Chinese-occupied East Mongolia and South Manchuria and North Manchuria in Russia

10)
Baltic Finnic Lands

North Pole Resident · #5 (**permalink**) 07-16-2008, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Çaka

http://www.hunmagyar.org/turan/turan.jpg

The Russians came to this land way before any Turanians. So your map is not correct, Çaka.

Çaka · #6 (**permalink**) 07-16-2008, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by North Pole Resident

The Russians came to this land way before any Turanians. So your map is not correct, Çaka.

I think different. . . from my maps (I had taken all info from Magyar[Hungarian] Website they are not my Turania perspective but they are closed mine)

I think Russians are also Turanian people

because of Scythia

North Pole Resident · #7 (**permalink**) 07-16-2008, 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Çaka

I think Russians are also Turanian people

because of Scythia

Do you have any DNA evidence to prove it?

Çaka · #8 (**permalink**) 07-16-2008, 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by North Pole Resident

Do you have any DNA evidence to prove it?

It hasn't been made yet.

But DNA is not certain way, because Turkish people DNA is as same as Italian people.

http://news.softpedia.com/news/DNA-C...ns-57551.shtml

But we have no historical connection with Italians!!!

Whatever Scytians are also Turanian people

and "Turanian" means is not Turk or Magyar. . . Turanians are The Turanians are a family of related ethno-linguistic groups: such Uralic group the Altaic group and also The Turanians are the indigenous inhabitants of vast territories in Eurasia and have a rich and ancient cultural heritage.
So I think Russians are in this group.

North Pole Resident · #9 (**permalink**) 07-16-2008, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Çaka

So I think Russians are in this group.

Well, the Russians are Slavic people. They can only be a part of this group if Turanians have Slavic Haplogroup R1a.

From Wiki:

R1a is "present at high frequency (40 per cent plus) from the Czech Republic across to the Altai Mountains in Siberia and south throughout Central Asia."[1] To the east, this gene found its way as far as Eastern Siberia, with considerable concentrations in Kamchatka and Chukotka, and it is possible that the gene even entered the Americas by this route.[13]

The modern population of Ukraine has the highest level of diversity of the gene making it the likeliest location of its origin.[2][14][1] this map[15] Even in South Eastern Europe (not a major concentration of R1a1) microsatellite networks of major Y chromosomal lineages show high diveristy of R1a1 (graph C)[15]. The variance cluster in South Eastern Europe (SEE) is located in the Republic of Macedonia.

Europe

In Europe, R1a is found primarily in the eastern part of the continent, with the highest frequencies among the Sorbs (63.39%), Poles (56.4%),[2] , Russians (50.0%)[16] and Ukrainians (54.0%).[2] [17] An early study reported an R1a frequency of 60.0% among a sample of 45 Hungarians,[2] but a more recent study found haplogroup R1a Y-DNA in only 20.4% of a sample of 113 Hungarians. The two main directional components of the spread are consistent with an East to West migration as well as a radial spread from the Balkans.

Pericic et al. (2005) suggest three possible explanations for the distribution of R1a variation:

At least three major episodes of gene flow might have enhanced R1a variance in the region: early post-LGM recolonizations expanding from the refugium in Ukraine, migrations from northern Pontic steppe between 3000 and 1000 B.C., as well as possibly massive Slavic migration from A.D. 5th to 7th centuries.

Distribution of R1a (purple) and R1b (red), after McDonald (2005)

READ MORE -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R1a

Çaka · #10 (**permalink**) 07-16-2008, 11:53 AM

North Pole

Look you source about end of the Central Asia part

Quote:

Haplogroup R1a is also common among Mongolic- and Turkic-speaking populations of Northwestern China, such as the Bonan, Dongxiang, Salar, and Uyghur peoples

It must be observed more.

Nortwestern China is also East Turkestan - and there is a map top of my thread

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