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View Poll Results: Who was the greatest president of all time?
Other Not Listed 30 8.60%
John F. Kennedy 29 8.31%
Thomas Jefferson 21 6.02%
Harry Truman 7 2.01%
Franklin Roosevelt 64 18.34%
Abraham Lincoln 63 18.05%
Bill Clinton 24 6.88%
Teddy Roosevelt 13 3.72%
George Washington 29 8.31%
Ronald Reagan 69 19.77%
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Old 03-09-2004, 03:20 PM
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Truebit, you remind me of one of those CBS producers whose bright idea it was to write a revisionist movie on Reagan. When they got called on it, they cried a lot too.
Some of us just get tired of the right proclaiming Bush as a God.
I never said Bush was God. Stop putting words in my mouth.
But I just get that from the right so often. As if the man can do no wrong.

Anyway, my apologies.
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Old 03-09-2004, 03:26 PM
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Default No, you said Saint Raygun was God....

..puhleez.....
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Old 03-09-2004, 03:47 PM
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people like you who would rather attribute anything or anyone else than Ronald Reagan (or any "right winger") with anything successful.
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The theory that it was "bound to happen" only occurs after the fall of the Soviet Union when the liberals are busy finding ways to save face without having to admit they were wrong all those years.
People like me? You don't know me, and yet you toss labels like "liberal" at me? I didn't call you a liberal personally. Something tells me that this reaction you're giving means you identify with it though.

Your conclusion that Reagan brought the cold war to an end is an insult to every US president that sat before him since Wilson, hahaaa Um, Wilson was before the cold war sweetie.

I have been a fiscal conservative all my life, which is why I opposed SDI. I supported then, and still support, the Tax Reform Act of 1986 that was drafted by Sen. Packwood at the request of the Reagan administration. I also supported Reagan's investment tax credits for US industry. Well good, then I guess you're not all that bad after all.

I am aware that talk radio has made it the norm to refer to anyone that doesn't agree with you as a "liberal", just as 30yrs ago anybody that didn't agree with you would have been labeled a "communist", but you may want to rethink this practice. Not only is it grossly inaccurate, it is intellectually dishonest. You're assuming, of course, that I both listen to talk radio and subscribe to this practice. Now you're the one jumping to conclusions.

Many lifelong conservatives oppose the irresponsible spending, Patriot Act, the FCC ownership regulations, the Medicare Drug plan, and other cornerstones of the current adminstration's policies. Does this make them liberals as well? No Or communists? haha you're funny Does that apply to former Rep. Bob Barr of Georgia? How about David Keene of the American Conservative Union? How about conservative oo-ed editor at the Walls Street Journal Pail Gigot? Just curious about how you define liberal?
You know, I don't recall any of those people being a United States President.

(sigh) Once again this is yet another subject hijacked for someone's soapbox. I believe the original question was who do you think was the most influential president was it not? So I pick Ronald Reagan and give my reason and BAM! I get ridiculed. I back up my reason with yet more reasoning and get made fun of because of my "flawed" thinking. Let me ask you a question...Is this your idea of a debate? hahahahaaaa

Try viewing events without wearing your political party goggles and you may arrive at some startling conclusions. I thank you for your advice and willingly accept it. I would assume you practice what you preach? After you then. Oddly though, you don't seem very calm to me now. I suppose I should just take off my political party goggles.
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No you said Saint Raygun was God ..puhleez.....
I didn't say that either... twobit.

However, I do afford anyone that was in the office of the President of the United States at least enough respect to spell their name correctly. I had many reasons to disagree with President Clinton, yet I owe him that in the very least. Despite my difference of opinion with some of his policies, he was still my President.
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Everyone is cracking me up! I love this stuff. Getting infuriated with people who you dont even know. Truth is, Everyone(politicians) has their good side and bad side. It's too bad people of other views cant see that.
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Old 03-10-2004, 12:23 PM
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No you said Saint Raygun was God ..puhleez.....
I didn't say that either... twobit.

However, I do afford anyone that was in the office of the President of the United States at least enough respect to spell their name correctly. I had many reasons to disagree with President Clinton, yet I owe him that in the very least. Despite my difference of opinion with some of his policies, he was still my President.
Oh, so anyone LESS than that is fair game?? You tell me that I shouldn't dis-respect someone by mis-spelling their name and yet in the very same breath you re-word MY handle in an attempt to belittle me.....Wow, I didn't expect you to show your hypocritical side so soon.>!!! And so obviously....

Respect is EARNED, and the only thing that RAYGUN earned was my utter contempt. He was a senile, doddering old fool.....
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Old 03-11-2004, 10:21 PM
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Reagan was just like the other silly trend of the 80's--- Cocaine. It made you feel good for a little while, but when you woke up, you were broke, and you had a sexually transmitted disease.

Of course Reagan's economic ideas sounded good at the time. They had absolutely nothing to do with economic responsibility. It's like being confronted for writing bad checks and saying "But I've got all this cool stuff..."

39 Presidents before Reagan... Know how much debt they accumulated? $995 billion. By the time RR left, it was $2.6 trillion. To put it in perspective, Reagan, in each of his two terms, came dangerously close to matching the debt of the preceding 39 presidents. Bush the Elected continued Reagan's policies and kicked it up to $4 trillion by the end of his term.

Reagan went for broke with a "starve the beast" philosophy of government, a sequel to which we're seeing now. His idea was to suck the money out of every social program out there and pump it all into defense. Well, he didn't have the authority to cut much of what he proposed. So in fact, while there were radical cuts to social spending (Perhaps most tragically in the field of medical research, as we had no representation at the vanguard of a new epidemic), he simply increased government spending, like a Keynesian with ADD that walked away after doing only part of the job. His defenders have tried many times over to blame the spending on Congress, but Congress's budgets constantly came within 2% of his.

On defense, whether it's popular to admit it or not, he did hasten the fall of the Soviet Union--- By about twenty minutes. We weren't the only ones under bad economic leadership. They were too, and the weak spots in their armor had been showing for quite some time. Every POTUS since Kennedy has the same bragging rights there. Reagan was in office when the roof caved in on the Soviets.

We're still weighted down by his Star Wars albatross--- A money pit made even more absurd by the fact that we no longer face any traditional threats. China won't attack because of the same principles that kept the Soviets from doing so--- Geographic isolation and mutually assured destruction. It won't stop a terrorist attack. Considering that some of the vital parts are expected to be developed in the year 2025, who knows what kind of threat we'll be facing by then?

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To name my favorite, I'll borrow an anecdote from John Fitzgerald Kennedy--- Who is not my favorite, incidentally.

At a dinner for 49 Nobel Laureates, he said that it was "the most extraordinary collection of talent, of human knowledge, that has ever gathered at the White House, with the possible exception of when Thomas Jefferson dined alone."

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Old 03-13-2004, 01:45 PM
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Default RickM..great comparison about Reagan!!!

I haven't heard that before!!!

Not sure about the STD, but just about everyone got *$&%^ed...that's for sure!!!
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Old 03-15-2004, 08:17 AM
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Default FDR vs. Lincoln....

...in a grudge match!
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Old 03-15-2004, 12:32 PM
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umm id have to say that lincoln was a pretty terrible racist, but a good president. Though for best president of the united states clinton all the way, I mean if we were switching to a Monarchy for some ungodly reason in this country clinton would be my choice for king
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