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Old 06-15-2004, 01:42 AM
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Not all wars are crimes in essence.
True, the reasons behind waging wars may not be criminal, but war itself is a crime against humanity and nature. It is a necessary crime to commit.
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then the war wont be a crime against humanity
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Not all wars are crimes in essence.
True, the reasons behind waging wars may not be criminal, but war itself is a crime against humanity and nature. It is a necessary crime to commit.
I think that if we follow these instructions which i have posted here


http://www.politicalforum.com/viewto...=asc&&start=30

then the war wont be a crime against humanity
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wars must be the last solution, but if commited due to many reasons like the human nature, many principles must be followed, like those laid by Islam in the above link.
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Suspected war criminals should be tried in a court of law regardless if they are on the losing or winning side of a conflict. I am also against nations trying their own suspects, I am all for a international court only system for suspected war criminals. National courts and even worse, military courts can just not be trusted not to protect their own people and hiding the truth in war crime cases or giving a fair trial to captured adversaries.
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Suspected war criminals should be tried in a court of law regardless if they are on the losing or winning side of a conflict. I am also against nations trying their own suspects, I am all for a international court only system for suspected war criminals. National courts and even worse, military courts can just not be trusted not to protect their own people and hiding the truth in war crime cases or giving a fair trial to captured adversaries.


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The US will go to war to keep Generals and presidents from having to face crimes. There is now way the UN or the international socialist community will dictate to us.
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Default Until we lose a war, none of our generals will be tried

In WW II, Air Force General Curtis LeMay was the most vocal advocate of dropping incindiary bombs on German and Japanese civilian targets as a means of breaking the will of the enemy.

Think about what I just said. He advocated the murder of hundreds of thousands of German and Japanese noncombatants well behind the battle lines for the purpose of breaking the will of their people.

If we had lost, this guy would have been at the front of the line. He certainly deserved to be fried in my book.

The Soviet Union had plenty of people with blood on their hands too, but none of these were judged for their crimes.

War crimes are for the losing side and always have been. These trials were never meant to be even handed so lets not pretend they are supposed to be now. If we allow our soldiers to be judged by people from a country with an axe to grind against the USA, then our soldiers will be abused for political gain.

As long as we have the world's strongest military, we need to tell the UN exactly where it can stick its international courts.
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Default This is why we need a powerful UN.

The post above are a prime example why I want the worlds nations to form a global alliance so that whenever a nation try to protect their own war criminals, they get overrun by the others. No single nation have the right to dictate the rules for the others, no matter how powerful their own military or economical might they may posses, they should be overrun. Even a superpower should be puny in comparison to the global community of nations. I would like this global alliance to grow up as an extension of a reformed UN, a UN with no permanent seats in the security council and no veto power for anyone.
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But your post is the reason why we can never allow an international treaty to force us to give up our soldiers for the political exploitation by enemies of our national policy.

The world is not a nice or friendly place. While America makes its share of mistakes, I think governments like the French and Russians go out of their way to make us the villan. If it plays well in Germany, France or Russia, then whats to stop one of their judges from railroading one of our guys? I think recent events have proven the UN is not above corruption and petty self interests either. What makes them qualified to judge us?
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Default Even former presidents has to answeer to their crimes today.

What I talk about is way above what the governments of a few countries wants. We ultimately need an international court who has no allegiance of any kind to any nations, ONLY to the law. Violate that law and you are done for. Soldiers of the USA has been accused of war crimes from time to time, still we rarely see any of them having to answer for this and those few that do get's convicted get symbolic sentences. We recently had the scandal of the Abu Graib prison, the leader of the criminals there get ONE year, that is totally unacceptable. Anything less then ten years are a bad joke. twenty are preferable and life is fitting. Still we don't see this happen. If you don't punish your criminals in accordance to their crimes someone else will, let's just hope that not to many innocents have to pay with their life when that happens. No one must be above the law, not even if he have an office in the White house.

Study this, it shows American war crimes in the last war against Iraq. Sometimes criminal behavior are inherited from father to son. Even former presidents can be brought to justice, sometime they even reinstate the death penealty just for thease occations. This shows what probably are fitting in thease cases...

http://www.deoxy.org/wc/wc-toc.htm
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Well, I just hope that we never completely lose a war. Because if we do, the world is going to come down on us like an anvil.

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