the death penalty - Page 3

I-Neo-Con · #21 (**permalink**) 06-18-2004, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by raven724";p=&quot

This may sound evil...but...

I am all for the death penalty. And furthermore, I am all for human testing.

What is that? Well, instead of using animals for medical research testing, I am totally for using murders, rapists, & child molesters in those experiments. At least they would be giving back to a society they have only taken from.

This is not a joke either. I am really in favor of this. I was raped some 10 years ago. The monster who did this to me walked after severing less than 6 months in jail. I stayed in the hospital for weeks recovering from the attack. Whenever he saw me afterward he would mock me, until he raped again & served another 6 months. During that time I moved out of Brooklyn & never saw him again.

But that is the problem here. Criminals get away with their crimes in America. Child molesters get set free even though the children they hurt suffer for the rest of their lives. Murders get released from jail even though their victims are rotting away in the dirt & their families left to suffer for the rest of their lives. Rapists walk while their victims live in fear & suffer the rest of their lives.

And not only that, but these monsters are defended by every day people..their 'rights' debated as if they should have rights at all!!

So, I say, let them give back. Free the poor innocent animals they do medical research on & in their place put these monsters.

For once in my life, I am faced with a problem that has a solution, but I can't describe it. All I can say is, well, Raven, I agree. Some people just can't change, they're not humans, but animals, and not even worthy of that title. I've never been a victim of anything serious, but I can feel it. I've seen it on the news, stories about prisoners who rape little girls, and then, while in prison use their computer priveledges to create websites describing their actions, and bragging about it. For some reason, whenever I hear about things like this, I always imagine that my girlfriend was the victim, and I can feel it. I don't know how to decribe it, but it is such an immense anguish, hopelessness, and thirst for vengeance.. and I'm not even involved in real life. 'Revenge, sweet-lasting revenge!', how wonderful vigilante justice is. Sometimes I hear about things that just makes me want to take out a sniper rifle and fulfill the thirst. Is murdering a murderer really a murder? Is murdering a rapist really a muder? I don't think there is one jury in the country who would consider such savages to be victims. Half the country detests the death penalty, but I doubt there is one sane person who can look at a specific case, and the victim, and not feel the need for its use. The only way you can possibly be against execution, is if you look at the victims only as a number.

powergrid · #22 (**permalink**) 06-18-2004, 10:00 PM

All I can say is I am glad neither of you have the power to make these things possible.

Murderers will always be with us and so will rapists. It would be a sadder day for this country if we ever sank so low as to give into our basest desires for revenge, torture, humiliation, and death.

I guess in that respect you are no better than your murdering raping counterparts. You both want the same things.

I-Neo-Con · #23 (**permalink**) 06-18-2004, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by powergrid";p=&quot

All I can say is I am glad neither of you have the power to make these things possible.

Murderers will always be with us and so will rapists. It would be a sadder day for this country if we ever sank so low as to give into our basest desires for revenge, torture, humiliation, and death.

I guess in that respect you are no better than your murdering raping counterparts. You both want the same things.

Murderering a murderer is not murder. Nor is murdering a rapist murder.

powergrid · #24 (**permalink**) 06-18-2004, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by I-Neo-Con";p=&quot

Murderering a murderer is not murder. Nor is murdering a rapist murder.

You are still missing my point. I'm talking about the innocent victims being cought in your sites.

You desire the same things as the perverted criminals you detest: humiliation, death, castration, revenge, violent satisfaction.

These are all the motivations of a common murderer/rapist. And you don't even care that innocent victims are lined up for it.

raven724 · #25 (**permalink**) 06-19-2004, 02:20 AM

We are not talking about INNOCENT VICTIMS. The innocent victims or the murder's victims rotting int he dirt. The innocent victims or the victims of child molesters who's lives are forever ruined. The innocent victims are the victims of rapists who wake up years later int he dead of night screaming from a nightmare that at one time was all too real.

Get your priorities straight. No offense, but it is people like you who make it easy for murders & such to commit their crimes. As long as they know people like you are out there, they know they can all but get away with their crimes with no more than a slap on the wrist. That's why crime is so high in American. If a thief, for instance, feared having his hand chopped off if he was caught, I wonder how many people would go around stealing. Or if a rapist knew he would be castrated for his crime, I wonder how many men would get an epiphany to 'keep it in their pants'.

No offense, but this country needs to take MUCH stronger action against criminals. These days the poor criminal is the victim while the victim is...well, no one.

SporkLord · #26 (**permalink**) 06-19-2004, 07:29 AM

Sounds like you'd like the criminal system of Singapore. Draconic, yet very effective.

powergrid · #27 (**permalink**) 06-19-2004, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by raven724";p=&quot

We are not talking about INNOCENT VICTIMS.

I am talking about innnocent victims. PEOPLE WRONGLY CONVICTED OF CRIMES AND THEN LET OFF OF DEATH ROW AFTER DNA EVIDENCE PROVES THEM INNOCENT!!!!! God, pay attention to the points I am making. I have said countless countless times that I am not concerned about murderers and rapists; I am concerned with people innocently going off to be castrated and experimented on, as you would like it done, and later finding out they are innocent!

"Texas Gov. George W. Bush, after letting 131 executions go forward, just agreed to a reprieve for death-row prisoner Ricky Nolen McGinn after learning that DNA tests may exonerate him. In Illinois, Republican Gov. George Ryan declared a moratorium on executions after new evidence exculpated 13 inmates."
http://slate.msn.com/id/83569/

powergrid · #28 (**permalink**) 06-19-2004, 12:44 PM

I wonder how many people over the course of 50 years have been wrongly executed. I wonder collectively how much in taxes they paid up until their deaths. Probably alot of money.

oLd-SouL · #29 (**permalink**) 06-19-2004, 11:34 PM

I wonder how many lives we would've saved or crimes which would not have been committed if we had a swift death penalty? Grid, you called me naive. Well, your premise follows the speech we hear on occasion, "If we are able to save just one life, then it is worth it." No, not always true. I believe that human life should have a finite value. Does a cigaretter smoker with lung cancer deserve a 100 million dollar settlement from the tobacco companies? No. But sometimes we implement processes/laws which have huge societal costs just so we can save that one life. And court settlements should have a ceiling.

You are so caught up in the thought that one or more innocent people might die on death row that you are willing to throw the whole system out the window. Well Massachusetts did, and it resulted in one of your "innocents" being killed (molestor priest killed by lifer because there was no further penalty). You Sir, are naive.

powergrid · #30 (**permalink**) 06-20-2004, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by oLd-SouL";p=&quot

you are willing to throw the whole system out the window.

I never said anything about throwing the whole system out the window. In IL, 13 people were exhonorated! 13 people! And that is only who we know about. I'm for changing the system to reflect the reality that it is not adequete enough to kill people. You want to shut your eyes to it and pretend that it is not happening at all.

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