I continue to be appalled by the fact that so many expect us to fight this war on terrorism with ONE HAND TIED BEHIND OUR BACK. (See first story and link) Contrast that with what THEY do to our guys! (Second story and Link) And then go cry me a river!



Abu Ghraib officer to be court-martialed

By DAVID DISHNEAU, Associated Press Writer
28 minutes ago

HAGERSTOWN, Md. - The only U.S. military officer charged with a crime in the Abu Ghraib scandal will be court-martialed on eight charges, including cruelty and maltreatment of prisoners, the Army said Friday.

Lt. Col. Steven Lee Jordan, a 50-year-old reservist from Virginia who ran the interrogation center at the Iraqi prison, was accused of failing to exert his authority as the place descended into chaos, with prisoners stripped naked, photographed in humiliating poses and intimidated by snarling dogs. He was also charged with lying to investigators."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070126/...s/abu_ghraib_6

4 troops abducted, killed in Iraq attack "

.....gunmen speaking English, wearing U.S. military uniforms and carrying American weapons abducted four U.S. soldiers last week at the provincial headquarters in the Shiite holy city of Karbala and then shot them to death."

"....two of the soldiers were handcuffed together in the back seat of an SUV near the southern Iraqi town of Mahawil. A third dead soldier was on the ground nearby. The fourth soldier died on the way to the hospital."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070126/...neak_attack_17

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"This is a time for a national imperative not to fail in Iraq." Condoleeza Rice, January 11, 2007

As the commander it was his responsibiltiy to oversee the actions being taken under his direct command. So the Court Martial is warranted..whether he wil be found gulty of anythign is another matter.

Past that though I agree with you..
Its disgusting how the Abu Ghaib thing was blown up not the end of the world and compared by some completly ignorant people to Treblinka and other Nazi era Concentration/Death Camps.
Whle to a large degree those same people dismiss downplay or simply ignore the acts of our enemies.


A few idiots acted like fools and "abused" prisoners in a certain portion of a prison. The enemy routinely tortures mutilates and murders "prisoners" and the only condemnation they get is being called creations of the USA.

Point is----NOTHING that was done in Abu Ghraib remotely compares to the murderous and cowardly things they do. AND, what's more---there was a REASON for it. Breaking down prisoners so they'll talk is an interrogation methoc. And IMHO, if that means humiliation, BFD!! Information our military intelligence gathers saves other lives from the things these murderous dowards have planned.

Point is-----they are fighting "no holes barred; anthing goes to win." We are fighting......"one hand tied behind our backs and making sure to be pc." Ridiculous and STUPID. I'm hoping this last push in Iraq will leave behind that attitude of, "Oh how terrible; panties on the heads." I don't give a rat's arse what is done to these animals.

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"This is a time for a national imperative not to fail in Iraq." Condoleeza Rice, January 11, 2007

Why all this talk of “winning” when, according to the Reich’s current reason, the justification du jour, for criminally invading completely innocent Eye-wrack was simply to unseat Saddam to allow dem detestable date-pickin' Irakionians to choose between the best of two Islamic evils to rule them?

Y’all know, just like those angelic legions of John Wayne wannabes self-sacrificingly liberated all dem stinkin’ Slopeheads in Asia, and the sundry anti-Umerikin t-u-u-rust furriners in most other countries on God’s good Christo-Seppo planet, out of the almost insane altruism that comes from the bottom of their unbelievably brave Bible-believin' hearts?

I can't believe how forebearing Americans have been of these sneaky sniping Minaret yodelling Minute Men killin' members of the Global Army of Occupation - who were authorized by Jewsarse's co-regent, George the Turd Himself, to put His enemies under His Feet.

The Reich should have dropped The "Barm" years ago!

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because he was only doing his duty as he understood it. this regime sanctioned violations of the Geneva Conventions. he would have been also been court martialed if he had failed to allow this brand of torture. a classic catch 22.

more apalling is that the chickenhawks who expected him to tolerate this mistreatment of POWs are now allowing him to face this trial because it gives them some degree of cover. such is the character of the characters who "lead" this country.

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Am I the only one who finds the second incident in the original post utterly astonishing?

Further details in this BBC report:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/6304645.stm

US uniforms, weapons and vehicles? English speaking/American impersonating?

Who the hell are these people who are able to pass unhindered into a government compound, start a fight, take captives and make good their escape?

From JP`s link:

The audacity and success suggests to me `special forces`. Does the Mahdi Army have `special forces`? Is it a co-incidence that this rather dramatic increase in the abilities of the insurgents is demonstrated so soon after the US began targeting Iranian officials in Iraq? Possibly the American seizure of Iranian personnel and this attack might indicate a new and dangerous escalation in the conflict.

JP`s (oft-repeated) assertion that attacks such as this justify prisoner abuse is very strange though.

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Most of the Iraqis tortured in Abu Ghraib had not been convicted of (or even charged with) anything - they were innocent.

US forces in Iraq, on the other hand, are members of an occupying army in a foreign country - in popular insurrection, legitimate targets.

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On your last statement----I'm not saying one justifies the other at all. What I'm saying is use some perspective here. Stop acting as if WE are the bad guys here when clearly we are NOT!!! Don't even come in as a close second.

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"This is a time for a national imperative not to fail in Iraq." Condoleeza Rice, January 11, 2007

And if the attack was carried out by Iranian intelligence---and most suspect it was---- then such Iranians are legitimate targets as well. Therefore, I would like to see the NYTimes stop acting as if Bush's statements about going after Iranians who are inside Iraq fighting our troops as something he shouldn't be doing.

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"This is a time for a national imperative not to fail in Iraq." Condoleeza Rice, January 11, 2007

..that this past three weeks every Iranian who is found inside Iraqi borders is immediately viewed - by some interested parties - as an 'agent' or suspect of same.

That may suit the purposes of warmonging nations who wish to prepare their populations' receptiveness for the idea of extending the war into another country - but Im not buying it.

Not even from your volunteerist's franchise....

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