http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exer...AAEAAA2A0C.htm

Fair point, I feel.

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Ha. Well, I definately don't think the US is perfect, but would you rather live here, or in China? Yeah, weren't they bulldozing a church a few months back?

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Goodness! Surely not. Bulldozing a church?? What a race of baby-killing bloodsuckers they must be. Surely in the entire history of the world there has never been such an atrocity!



It's a perfectly fair point. Having said that, China is guilty of far more human and animal rights abuses than the US. Any nation that has members of its military snatch dogs - 50,000 of them - out of their owners' grasp to beat them to death with staffs in front of them (if they refused the offer of 17 cents to do it themselves) because of two cases of rabies is a nation that has no call to be throwing stones.

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Undoubtedly China is a worse offender. Nonetheless, with US standards on the slide, their moral authority is very much diminished.

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I think this is the exactly the point. For the most part we have no idea what is happening in China...their news is strictly censored. However, what pious divine inspiration did the authors of the China abuse report use to allow then to criticize China? It is like China criticizing the US for not providing better health care for its poor people - absolutely hypocritical. Both countries are far from perfect. We don't walk on water and have no right to be sound like God in telling China they have a poor human rights record.

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One of the speculations about America's faltering world opinion is that it is the result of America being primarily seen as a force of good (at least in Europe). By making ourselves a big symbol of freedom, prosperity, and good we raise our own standards of conduct. When we violate those standards we should expect the world to get angry.
China has a nasty record. It's been improving over the years. It may still be worse at its best than the US at its worst... but they have never been a symbol of good.
So China does have a point. If we truly want to force upon the world our standards of good we must live up to being a beacon of that good. The "ends justifies the means" mentality of the modern foreign policy hawks is harming our status as a beacon. It's allowing China room to become a symbol of alternative. It may be bad... but it's honest. We appear hypocritical.

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The problem is that the government won't allow a free market healthcare system. Look at Canada, do you really want what they have? Long lines, not as great quality healthcare, and keep in mind that the US has much MUCH more people than Canada, so universal healthcare would be one big beauocratic disaster! If we deregulate the industry, then people could self-medicate themselves, prices go down, and people should also have the right to alternative healthcare.

I also support voucher's, so noone would just not have any access, everyone should have access to all healthcare, I only object to the nationalization of it. That is not the answer.

China is just one big beauocratic nightmare, they represent State Capitalism, the state acts as a corporation, it is very far from any imaginary socialist society.

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You've gotta be kiddin'. You must be utterly perfect before you criticize anyone? Do the Chinese have any basic human rights? Religious freedom? Speech? Let's ask our Chinese forum members how it is over there. Ooops. There aren't any. I forgot for a minute there that we're talking about CHINA. Tens of thousands of baby girls are abandoned there every year. 40% of them DIE. The lucky ones are sold (yes I said SOLD) to people in other countries. A fair point my foot.

Chesby is right. The government is killing dogs even if they already have been vaccinated for rabies. Well, it's a good thing I live here. They can have Scarlett when they pry her from my cold dead fingers.

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Yes, apparently if they couldn't snatch them off you in the street, they came banging into villages at night with bats on garbage can lids, causing all the dogs to bark, so they could round them all up and bludgeon them to death in one convenient location.

Shooting them (if they were going to kill them anyway) was out of the question. The cost of the bullets, you know.

And lets not get started on the one-child policy. Not a bad idea conceptually (a bit like communism) but in practice they forgot the thousands of years of anti-girl-baby indoctrination, and also forgot the 750,000,000 people within China's population are rural dwellers, farmers and such, who have no `use' for a female child. Hence the raids into neighbouring countries to buy or just simply steal wives for their men who have no women left to choose from at home.

Max has been known to remark that even saying the word `China' will set me off on a diatribe of animal/human rights violations for a good half an hour before I'll take a breath. I can't help it. I am hopelessly and irretreivably furious with that nation.

In my opinion, allowing Beijing to host the Olympics is one of the biggest miscarriages of justice in this young century. Hosting the Olympics is a reward and a privilege, one China should not be granted until they get their country into gear.

Did you know that something like 80% of students, when shown a photograph of the Tank Man of Tiananmen Square, will think it's a form of advertising or a joke? And if you `Google' Tiananmen Square in China, it directs you to sunny tourist websites inviting you to enjoy a relaxing holiday.

Interestingly (and this is pretty much the only good thing I have to say about China at the moment), they have an incredible panda repopulation programme. So good, in fact, that they no longer have the natural habitat to support the number they're breeding. But, in one area, they are at least trying and getting something partially right.

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To make such a ludicrous comparison, and to see people deem it worthy of serious discussion, is but one more example of the bizarre parallel universe inhabited by liberals and america haters.

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