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Hey everybody - look at the FREEDOM Bush brought to Afghanistan. They're so free now! The freedom of speech, religion, the press and the free justice system they have is incredible!

Afghan Journalist Sentenced to Death

By AMIR SHAH – 1 day ago

KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) — An Afghan court on Tuesday sentenced a 23-year-old journalism student to death for distributing a paper he printed off the Internet that three judges said violated the tenets of Islam, an official said.

The three-judge panel sentenced Sayad Parwez Kambaksh to death for distributing a paper that humiliated Islam, said Fazel Wahab, the chief judge in the northern province of Balkh, where the trial took place. Wahab did not preside over the trial.

Kambaksh's family and the head of a journalists group denounced the verdict and said Kambaksh was not represented by a lawyer at trial. Members of a clerics council had been pushing for Kambaksh to be punished.

The case now goes to the first of two appeals courts, Wahab said. Kambaksh, who has been jailed since October, will remain in custody during appeal.

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It was worse before. But it does showcase what a long way parts of the world have to go.
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It was worse before. But it does showcase what a long way parts of the world have to go.
True, but that's not the way this administration "marketed" the occupation to the American people. It was "sold" as "instant democracy."
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Afghanistan, not so much. We attacked them not to bring democracy, but to get the people behind 9/11 and the government that supported them. The nation-building has been a necessary follow-up to that.

Ignorant and repulsive as Islamic tribal law is, it's deeply embedded in the region. It's not the sort of thing that changes overnight, by fiat -- unless you're willing to endure a *lot* of unrest and resistance.

The sentence will be overturned eventually, or otherwise ushered off the stage -- thought sometimes that means the defendant has to leave the country, a most unsatisfactory resolution.
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Afghanistan, not so much. We attacked them not to bring democracy, but to get the people behind 9/11 and the government that supported them.
Well, that's the official story anyway. The official news reports and interviews with government agents shown in "9/11: Press for Truth" clearly show otherwise.

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Ignorant and repulsive as Islamic tribal law is, it's deeply embedded in the region. It's not the sort of thing that changes overnight,
No, it's not. And the U.S. simply cannot afford to occupy these countries long enough to make that happen - even if they would accept it while being occupied by a foreign power - which is highly unlikely.

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Well, that's the official story anyway. The official news reports and interviews with government agents shown in "9/11: Press for Truth" clearly show otherwise.
Uh-huh. I was alive and paying attention during the attacks and the Afghan invasion. It was not billed as a "bringing democracy to the region" exercise. That was considered a side benefit at best.

We didn't get into the whole "building democracy" thing until we had to justify invading Iraq.

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No, it's not. And the U.S. simply cannot afford to occupy these countries long enough to make that happen - even if they would accept it while being occupied by a foreign power - which is highly unlikely.
But neither can we simply walk away. We broke it, we bought it.

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I agree that it will be overturned. The U.S. and government in Kabul will apply pressure, but more importantly, will pay the right people off and the sentence will be overturned on appeal. And the area will get a brand new pizza oven and health clinic.
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The fact that they have messed up laws doesn't mean they are not democratic. Lots of Europeans have problems with our laws (The death Penalty) and we have problems with their's too (Outlawing certain forms of speech).

All that is required to be called a democracy is that the People decide their own laws. Well, the people of that region decided they wanted this messed-up law. The law doesn't oppress any group of people. Any race or religion. It is a law that forbids a specific action.

I don't agree with it, but I don't agree with a lot of things foreigners do. But its their business. They can make any law they want to so long as they're a democracy.
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Uh-huh. I was alive and paying attention during the attacks and the Afghan invasion. It was not billed as a "bringing democracy to the region" exercise. That was considered a side benefit at best.

We didn't get into the whole "building democracy" thing until we had to justify invading Iraq.
But there was still some of that going on with Afghanistan - and bringing democracy and women's rights to them, etc.


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We can walk away. If you don't want to walk way, go re-enlist in the military and go over there.

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but more importantly, will pay the right people off and the sentence will be overturned on appeal.
...then it may very well happen.
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Dangerous !!! Walk away let the Taliban back in and another 9/11 may be just round the corner .................................................
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