another US ally Dictator-murderer dies

gateway · #1 (**permalink**) 01-28-2008, 11:18 AM

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2...t_N.htm?csp=34

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Former Indonesian President Suharto, the U.S. Cold War ally who led one of the 20th century's harshest and most corrupt dictatorships over 32 years that saw up to a million political opponents killed, died Sunday.

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His departure from office opened the way for democracy

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Rather than put on trial those accused of mass murder and multibillion-dollar (euro) theft, some members of the political elite consistently called for charges against Suharto to be dropped on humanitarian grounds

Gosh, change a few words and include a few lies about aluminun tubes and this guy could be called Saddam.

ashleykennedy · #2 (**permalink**) 01-28-2008, 11:37 AM

Like Pinochet he got to old to bring to court and face his accusers.

DuH2 · #3 (**permalink**) 01-28-2008, 12:50 PM

Better ours then the Soviets.

Gosh change a few things along your guys lines and suddenly at least 75% of the globe that wasn't is on the Red team.

ashleykennedy · #4 (**permalink**) 01-28-2008, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DuH2

Better ours then the Soviets.

Gosh change a few things along your guys lines and suddenly at least 75% of the globe that wasn't is on the Red team.

Just that 33% is on the Deaths Head Dictator team.

Blade · #5 (**permalink**) 01-28-2008, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by gateway

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2...t_N.htm?csp=34

Gosh, change a few words and include a few lies about aluminun tubes and this guy could be called Saddam.

Let's see - and you regret the US cooperation with stalin during WWII, who in the murder depatment makes suharto like the rankest of amateurs?

halla · #6 (**permalink**) 01-28-2008, 09:51 PM

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Like Pinochet he got to old to bring to court and face his accusers.

it would be interesting to lists some of these individuals other than the politically correct ones:

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Also, this democide (DEATH BY GOVERNMENT) murdered 6 times more people than died in combat in all the foreign and internal wars of the century.

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM

we know of Mao/Stalin, but we don't know of the "european colonialists", including england, today's moral arbiters

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Reevaluating Colonial Democide
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Where exploitation of a colony's natural resources or portering was carried out by forced labor (in effect slavery of a modern kind), as it was in all the European and Asian colonies, then the forced labor system built in its own death toll from beatings, punishment, coercion, terror, and forced deprivation. There were differences in the brutality of the system, the British being the least brutal and Leopold and the French, Germans, and Portuguese the worst. We all know what the Soviet gulag was like. These colonizers turned Africa into one giant gulag, with each colony being like a separate camp.

Now, I estimate that over all of colonized Africa and Asia 1900 to independence, the democide was my original 870,000, plus 50, 000,000 more, and this may be too conservative. If this figure were roughly close, however, then I must raise my total murdered by governments in the 20th Century again. I recently (here) raised the total from 174,000,000 to 212,000,000, with the addition of Mao' famine that cost 38,000,000 lives. With the new estimate of an additional 50,000,000 natives murdered during colonization, I need to add 50,000,000. This plus 212,000,000 = 262,000,000.

Incredible. Incredible. By my conservative estimate, governments in the last century murdered more than a quarter of a BILLION people. Enough bodies head to toe to circle the earth of ten times, or the equivalent of the estimated toll of a nuclear war between major powers.

We should all weep.

http://freedomspeace.blogspot.com/20...-democide.html

DuH2 · #7 (**permalink**) 01-28-2008, 10:01 PM

Don't forget the Communists when your counting dead in Indonesia in relation to the bloody violence surrounding the first quarter or half of Suharto's rule.
They killed a hell of alot of people that your conveniently dumping on him alone.

Not saying he's a nice guy just saying there where some guys with lil red flags who where just as willing to kill people (and did) as he in Indonesia at that time.

halla · #8 (**permalink**) 01-28-2008, 10:20 PM

so it was only recently the euro-neanderthals started their game of moral charades! the law theater, the international court at the hague, was being built in belgium while the bodies of the african blacks mounted into the millions and the land raped.

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Exemplifying the Horror
of European Colonization:
Leopold's Congo"

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/COMM.7.1.03.HTM

ashleykennedy · #9 (**permalink**) 01-29-2008, 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by halla

it would be interesting to lists some of these individuals other than the politically correct ones:

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM

we know of Mao/Stalin, but we don't know of the "european colonialists", including england, today's moral arbiters

http://freedomspeace.blogspot.com/20...-democide.html

I see Suharto make the list then Hasbaratoo, No 5 Indonesia Centi Kilo murderers 729.

halla · #10 (**permalink**) 01-29-2008, 06:28 AM

ashley:

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see Suharto make the list then Hasbaratoo, No 5 Indonesia Centi Kilo murderers 729.

yes ashley, just behind the united kingdom (no 3). but the really big guys, the deka-megamurderers, is joined by germany and the colonialists (the euro-neanderthalists), home of that international court of justices, the hag.

but the way you talk ashley, israel ( read jews) should be up there in their own special catagory, the super mega-deka-megamurderers. i mean the way you talk, the nazis were innocents by comparison.

make the case and entertain us ashley.

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