that u can't justify death penalty.....u know what let this reapists,murderers and others rutten in jail,but i don't want innocent people killed....in israel there are no death penalties and im glad of it.....just picture it this way:
ur in the wrong place,in the wrong time and they have a picture of u next to the scene of the crime....just think that whoever did it,see's that the world think's that ur the murderer.....he will do what ever he can to frame u.....ull die for some1 else's crime....creep's the **** out of me....that's why i don't want death penalty....ill live in constant fear that ill be in the worng place in the wrong time...and ill die for something i didn't do.

The death penalty is supposed to be a form of punishment, right?
Well if the criminal is killed, are they really suffering? Say they murdered somebody, maybe, just maybe, they would feel guilty and if they were imprisoned they would have to live with that guilt all of their lives. And if a life sentence was made to be a life sentence then they would have a worse time in prison and would have nothing to look forward to such as getting out early for good behaviour. Whereas, if they are killed then wheres the punishment? They don't have to live with what they have done, they might have hoped to be killed anyway, so...

I think that serious crimes such as murder of paedophilia should carry the penalty of being experimented on instead of animal testing

Some people have no feelings like normal people. Just look at Saddam or Hitler or any of the other mad dictatorial leaders that we've seen in the history of the world.

I, personally, disapprove of the death penalty. I do not feel that anything that a person does forfeits their right to life on this earth. However, I can understand the feeling that families of murder victims have. They want the person who committed the crime to suffer as they have; who can blame them for that?

Killing two birds with one stone there, eh?

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True. they were and are emotionless. And that is why i emphasised the maybe. Kenneth Boyd, he regretted it, or at least had the decency to pretend he did.

Well I have mixed feelings about this. I think that if a person has murdered or committed a serious crime they lose all of their rights, including life and what they do with it.



Yep, and i stick by that one too.

Well now we'll never know as he was executed last week by the U.S. Government. Coincidentally, he was the one thousandth man to be executed since the re-introduction of the death penalty in the United States.

We have gone to war with countries when their states commit acts of murder, what is so different with the U.S. system?

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As of a few weeks ago the 1000th person was killed by the death penalty, how many of those do you think were really innocent? I would say less than 50, maybe only a few.

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And which is worse?
1. Killing 50 innocent people or...
2. Allowing 950 to live in prison for life without parole?

...but human, all too human...

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The death penalty should never be used, but if a country does decide to support it, then it should only be used in cases where the evidence is clear. Why it is used as a sentance for some circumstancial cases is beyond me.

What I don't understand is why it takes decades to execute someone. Seriously, just have a quick appeal and then stick the guy with the needle. Theres no need to drag the process out.

One reason I was hoping they would carry out the sentance on Tookie Williams was because if they didn't, we would be hearing about his story for the next few months. Quite frankly, one day of non-stop talking about some random black guy I never heard of was enough for me.

Out of site, out of mind, thats why life in prison works the best. Take the criminal off the streets, but him in a prison and the people could care less about them from there on.

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Bore, are you being facetious with that last part (it's hard to tell with these forum posts)? The main trouble is that the "out of sight, out of mind" continues on after an offender is released. Our prison system usually only socializes people to become more criminal and then we release them with extra disadvantages in the market. So of course our prisons have revolving doors.
And while you might find it inconvenient to have to sit through stories about "some random black guy" and I must agree the media coverage was overdone, the case brought important social issues up close and personal. The death penalty disallows any chance of redemption. Regardless of whether Tookie was truly redeemed or not, we are left with this revealed truth. How can we, as what conservatives like to remind us of "A Christian Nation", take away one's ability to be redeemed permanently. Even if statistically, most murderers will never be spiritually or mentally redeemed, is that the kind of nation we want to be? What if more prisoners can send positive messages from the inside, show that even those without hope can do something with what remains of their lives.
Besides we all know that these punitive measures we use mean nothing when most of our police force wastes resources on drug addicts. A disturbing number of murderers and rapists walk free, not because of the weak courts that are so exaggerated by the media, but by never being captured or brought up on charges at all. And how exactly does time matter in prison, especially when we just release them as criminals. Is it not possible to create a merit and rehabilitation-based system that actually gives prisoners an incentive to shape up rather than wait it out?
All this has led me to make up my mind on the death penalty, an issue I have ridden the fence on for years. Except in the most pressing cases of national security, the death penalty should be abolished. It is indeed a savage practice of an age of lesser primates.
So I agree on the issue, Bore, but on the remaining issues of incarceration I dissent. We need reform in our criminal justice system. "Out of sight, out of mind" is a disaster waiting to happen.

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