Death Penalty:Inhumane or not? - Page 91

presluc · #**901** (**permalink**) 09-25-2009, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Seer Travis Truman

Reply to highlander

I find all you're arguments interesting but all fail to address the major causes!
Most of the argument presented here are inferior and lie-based.

If the state can murder indiscriminately so can individuals... standards in life.
Correct.

If corrupt individuals profit at the expense of the nation this must be addressed exposed and those individuals pay retribution.
Society has no legitimate business passing moral judgment nor punishment.

IE the Hugh profits gained from the drug industry should be given to the state regardless if they are VP's or CEO of major banks laundering the money!
Which drug industry?

The bank should be taken again as retribution and the loss would be that of the shareholders.
Are you suggesting that banks should pay if drug-dealers use their bank?

These are the individuals that corrupt the nation. Using their wealth to hide behind the corrupt media, behind a thin vineer of respectablity!
If you mean societal leaders, yes.

As most people in death row are casualties of their environment, casualties of the corrupt state.
All of them are.

But to clarify this some people are just evil and have no conscience some of these hold the highest offices within the state machinery!
Top societal leaders are all cathartically enraged psychopaths.

I do not agree with the death penalty but I do agree with life sentences to mean life sentences, but everyone should allow the rule of law.... not the rule of emotions!
Society has no legitimate business passing moral jusgement, let alone additional punitive punishment, on any of its created victims.

Even if they are a prisoner they have rights, they have human rights because "we" the human race are civilised!
This is incorrect. The human race is ultra-deseased.

As currently exist, there are no Truth-based legitimate individual rights in any human society on planet Earth. Prisoners have the "right" to be unjustly judged to be subjected to societally-sponsered murder in accordance with law.

The innocent victims had rights too theirs were violated not by choice.
Muderers have that chioce make the right one no problem , make the wrong one DEATH.

presluc · #**902** (**permalink**) 09-25-2009, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Makedde

But nor will blowing them up in revenge for their attacks against us, so what does one do?

I notice England and Ausrailia didn't back down from terrorist in the Boer war or in World War 2.

Course the names of the terrorist were differant. but self defence was put into action.

CIAagent11 · #**903** (**permalink**) 10-22-2009, 03:17 AM

The death penalty is totally awesome.
We should kick people into a huge (*)(*)(*)(*)ing pit, like in 300.

Seer Travis Truman · #**904** (**permalink**) 10-23-2009, 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by CIAagent11

The death penalty is totally awesome.
We should kick people into a huge (*)(*)(*)(*)ing pit, like in 300.

The Forbidden Truth dictates that the death penalty is one of the most malevolent, deranged and lie-based societally-sponsered legal murder avenues.

The death penalty is an absolute abomination. To support such a lie-based construct of society is to totally reject and run away from the Forbidden Truth.

Viv · #**905** (**permalink**) 10-25-2009, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by presluc

I notice England and Ausrailia didn't back down from terrorist in the Boer war or in World War 2.

Course the names of the terrorist were differant. but self defence was put into action.

I don't support the death penalty. It is inhumane.

An imprisoned murderer is under the control of the state. A choice can be made.

The state should not stoop to the level of murder. It should keep the murderer there, alone.

presluc · #**906** (**permalink**) 10-26-2009, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Viv

I don't support the death penalty. It is inhumane.

An imprisoned murderer is under the control of the state. A choice can be made.

The state should not stoop to the level of murder. It should keep the murderer there, alone.

And what if the murderer while under control of the states murders a theif thatis almost reabilitated and ready to turn his life to a new direction?

Would that not be not only the loss of an innocent victum but also upsetting the balance of reabilitation of criminals that have not murdered?

In war we kill the enemies of America to prevent being killed.
The death penalty serves the same purpose for the innocent victims of America.

Viv · #**907** (**permalink**) 10-26-2009, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by presluc

And what if the murderer while under control of the states murders a theif thatis almost reabilitated and ready to turn his life to a new direction?

Would that not be not only the loss of an innocent victum but also upsetting the balance of reabilitation of criminals that have not murdered?

In war we kill the enemies of America to prevent being killed.
The death penalty serves the same purpose for the innocent victims of America.

Ah Presluc, you're clutching at straws. What percentage of thieves will meet their end that way?

If it did happen, it would be a failing on the part of your prison service, not a justification for the State to behave in a barbaric and inhumane way.

Defence of the realm is another matter, but war does not exempt war criminals from justice.

I don't suggest murderers should not be brought to justice. Of course they must be.

rodmcintyrenz · #**908** (**permalink**) 10-27-2009, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ThereseM

I can't find one instance where the government executed an innocent person. There are claims but not one shred of proof.

This is important to me because I sit on the fence of this issue. I am torn because I see the need to affirm life by taking the life of a murderer. On the other hand I have to wonder if the death penalty is a way to get revenge or a true form of atonement for the murderer. It must be good for both sides or it is good for none. Revenge, in my opinion, just the leaves the person wanting revenge, wanting. It will not bring a loved-one back.

So if anyone has a real site that can show innocent people given the death penalty and then carried out, I would like to look at it.

Thanks

Google Timothy Evans / John Christie (not the US though, is in UK).

If you have a dig around and read some of the available academic papers on Wrongful Execution - there is a large body of debate around this issue.

My conclusion from reading a lot of it is

(a) Wrongful Executions most likely do happen

(b) The number and extent and nature of these executions are often exaggerated and surrounded by misinformation.

(c) More concerning, to me anyway, are the social and racial factors that statistically dominate execution debate.

farra · #**909** (**permalink**) 10-28-2009, 05:48 AM

I hope what I am about to write will not be considered off topic...

I wonder how mankind has survived over the ages ruling death upon others as a lesson learned or prevented when that life will not continue to prove the point of redemption. It certainly doesn't work as a preventive does it?

But as long as mankind continues to arm aggressive war in other nations - rather than utilizing homeland safety and security of its own citizens, I cannot see why the death penalty is argued as wrong.

We wage war and killing in a "righteous way" and argue one execution?

Please clarify if you can get through to me.... appreciate it...

presluc · #**910** (**permalink**) 10-29-2009, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Viv

Ah Presluc, you're clutching at straws. What percentage of thieves will meet their end that way?

If it did happen, it would be a failing on the part of your prison service, not a justification for the State to behave in a barbaric and inhumane way.

Defence of the realm is another matter, but war does not exempt war criminals from justice.

I don't suggest murderers should not be brought to justice. Of course they must be.

I'm not clutching at straws, and here is your proof.

As you yourself said if a theif was killed by a murderer in prison it would be the prison system that failed.
If the prison system is incapable of preventing a murderer from killing inside a prison then how can they be relied on to think that a murderer should have a second chance?

We all know that prisoners are killed in prison.
We also know that plea bargans are struck by lawyers for less than life sentences 1 to 5 or 5 to 10 years and when a muderer gets out society is supposed to trust the reabilitation of the murderer done by the prison system which you yourself said maybe flawed???

With the death penalty with undeniable proof there is no mistakes.

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