In telling us where to smoke, and trying to get us to stop smoking altogether. Also, by trying to mandate what and how we eat. Environmentalism is also an outgrowth of this.

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15th Jan 1997- 18 Jul 2009

Mak's Blog - Updated 12/3/10

Excellent Point!

... another thing to be concerned about are mammal's and all the flagellation they create ... ever go past a chicken or cattle farm?

FOOD FOR THOUGHT ...

let's forget about deer, fox, squirrel, rabbit, and those who are of the human persuasion.

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Part of the first videoed speech by any President was by President Calvin Coolidge said:
I want the people of America to be able to work less for the government and more for themselves.

Can you tell he was a Republican!

For those who want something to care about:
Want To Do Good? Help This Organization Moyer Foundation's Camp Erin started by Phillies Pitcher

The environment is something we all use so we do get to have a say in how people treat OUR shared environment.

Its the personal decisions we should have no say in.

A person should be able to smoke as much as they want, do as much drugs as they want, eat as much garbage food as they want, exercize as little as they can if they want......but they shouldnt be able to destroy or endanger our SHARED environment. They cant drive while drunk or under the influence of various drugs (legal or illegal ones)...that would be endangering our shared environment and it forces others to take the risks for your personal choices and behaviors. If you kill someone while driving drunk, they paid the HIGHEST price that can be paid because of YOUR personal decision to drink. This is why its illegal to drive while drunk...we have some tools to STOP you and prevent others from having to shoulder the burden of your personal choices.

If you die (as 2 of my relatives did) of drug or alcohol related disease....then you are really only affecting yourself. You will suffer from ill health and you may die earlier than you needed to, but it is your choice because its your life and your body. Its not really impacting the shared environment.

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OI!! I really hate that you will be in this world less years than you could have....you are a good egg and the world is never improved when we lose one too early. They really will probably pry a cigarette from your cold dead hand...and that makes me sad because you are rather neat.

*I do understand the addiction though. I did smoke cigarettes and I am still loving my caffiene (even if I do limit myself to 2 cups per day..there are days....like on a crazy day like today....I am gonna have THREE!! woohoo partytime!) I started off cool and have grown up to be a dork! hahhahahhaa

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"You can't go around building a better world for people. Only people
can build a better world for people. Otherwise it's just a cage."
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My response would go beyond the scope of this thread, but as far as your position on personal decisions, I totally agree with you.

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If you are on the chopping block, just contact me. You don't need to be banned. Contact me even if I hate you.

If your life - expectancy is reduced by 10 years (or so they say) due to smoking - look on the bright side, you'll be dead 10 years longer

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Farewell my beautiful Gracie Baby:
15th Jan 1997- 18 Jul 2009

Mak's Blog - Updated 12/3/10

You dont tax cigarettes or alcohol? The purchase of such items as well as bars, stores, products that assist in quitting etc dont contribute to the economy there? There is no tax on the items such as beer, wine, alcohol and cigarettes?

I would have to disagree and say they also pay taxes, they also contribute to the economy simply by buying the products and all the spin off products that exist due to the habits (such as pills or gums to help you quit smoking, lighters etc...or weight loss centers and diet foods). I know that both here in Sweden and in the US items like alcohol and cigarettes have a higher tax rate that is often referred to as a "sin tax".

I think they do pay their share for their own care and habits. I think if we were able to stop all human vices we would see a major impact on our economy in a negative way therefore we should acknowledge that even those of us who dont engage in the habits have some benefits because others DO have them.

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can build a better world for people. Otherwise it's just a cage."
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This may sound like a bit of a conspiercy theory but, just to stop and think,

When I first knew any thing about cigaretts the first phrase I heard was you should not smoke ,coffin nails turn money into smoke ect..

That was in the 50's then one day some pencil pusher who evidently had nothing else to do anounced to the American people that cigarettes and nicotine was addictive, well after people stopted laughing ecpesially smokers the AMA GETS ON BOARD AND SAYS SECOND HAND SMOKE CAN KILL, ALTHOUGH THERE NEVER WAS AND NEVER HAS BEEN A DEATH CERTIFICITE SAYING CAUSE OF DEATH SECOND HAND SMOKE.

The people reacted just the way some politicians wanted FEAR.
Since then cigarette tax has quadtripled twice, and then there's the many taxes on the "quit smoking deals".
Ligget and Myers just one tobacco company donated 10 million dollars to congress as did R.J. Reynolds and the rest for adds at telling teenagers not to smoke, AND FOR THAT THEY GOT BLACKLISTED OFF t.v. CIGARETTE COMERICALS, NO SMOKING IN RESTUARTS IN SOME STATES ANYWHERE.

When somebody comes up with the idea for an restuarant with smoking only for smokers it was denied by the state of Georgia and most other non smoking states..

Yet when you see the smog over L.A. and you here the polution count on T.V., and you ask for an alternitive cleaner fuel you're labled a treehugger or a whacko.
Carbon dioxide or cigarette smoke , umm I'd just soon take my chances with the evils of cigarette smoke thank you.