Cigarettes Should be made Illegal - Page 106

presluc · #**1051** (**permalink**) 09-28-2008, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Jellah

The environment is something we all use so we do get to have a say in how people treat OUR shared environment.

Its the personal decisions we should have no say in.

A person should be able to smoke as much as they want, do as much drugs as they want, eat as much garbage food as they want, exercize as little as they can if they want......but they shouldnt be able to destroy or endanger our SHARED environment. They cant drive while drunk or under the influence of various drugs (legal or illegal ones)...that would be endangering our shared environment and it forces others to take the risks for your personal choices and behaviors. If you kill someone while driving drunk, they paid the HIGHEST price that can be paid because of YOUR personal decision to drink. This is why its illegal to drive while drunk...we have some tools to STOP you and prevent others from having to shoulder the burden of your personal choices.

If you die (as 2 of my relatives did) of drug or alcohol related disease....then you are really only affecting yourself. You will suffer from ill health and you may die earlier than you needed to, but it is your choice because its your life and your body. Its not really impacting the shared environment.

So the carbon dioxide in the very air every American breathes who's choice is that?
Granted, Americans need transportation to get around but some people myself included have been asking for an alternitive cleaner fuel since the 70's.
There is a car in America today that runs on straight hydrogen no cabon dioxide fumes so why doesn't the AMA step in and move on that?
I mean it's not we don't know the cabon dioxide fumes hurt us as well as the water we drink, or is Americans to buy bottled air?

When the AMA "discovered "? that smoking was bad for you and addictive, like we didn't already know that, steps were taken the same week.
America finally made the statement in the 70's that oil is addictive and the cabon dioxide fumes from fossile fueled engins can kill you.
Americans are still waiting???

If the AMA and the government would have moved this slow on the uhh, dangers of smoking, it would have saved me a bunch of taxes on cigarettes and standing outside a restuarant to smoke in the cold.

teeko · #**1052** (**permalink**) 09-28-2008, 09:43 AM

Smoking is banned in Washington in all public places. The casino is the only place you can dance drink gamble eat and smoke. All the other bars an cafes are suffering go figure.

tresha · #**1053** (**permalink**) 09-28-2008, 11:25 AM

Cigarettes should be made illegal.

::Cough cough gasp:: over my :: wheeze, gasp, takes drag:: over my dead :: exhales, coughs takes another drag :: dead body.

presluc · #**1054** (**permalink**) 09-28-2008, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by tresha

Cigarettes should be made illegal.

::Cough cough gasp:: over my :: wheeze, gasp, takes drag:: over my dead :: exhales, coughs takes another drag :: dead body.

Uhh get me one of those scooters will ya.
No I'm not sick just too fat to walk.lol
Somebody get the crowbar my girlfreinds sister is stuck in the chair ..,again.

lol

Jellah · #**1055** (**permalink**) 09-28-2008, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by presluc

So the carbon dioxide in the very air every American breathes who's choice is that?
Granted, Americans need transportation to get around but some people myself included have been asking for an alternitive cleaner fuel since the 70's.
There is a car in America today that runs on straight hydrogen no cabon dioxide fumes so why doesn't the AMA step in and move on that?
I mean it's not we don't know the cabon dioxide fumes hurt us as well as the water we drink, or is Americans to buy bottled air?

When the AMA "discovered "? that smoking was bad for you and addictive, like we didn't already know that, steps were taken the same week.
America finally made the statement in the 70's that oil is addictive and the cabon dioxide fumes from fossile fueled engins can kill you.
Americans are still waiting???

If the AMA and the government would have moved this slow on the uhh, dangers of smoking, it would have saved me a bunch of taxes on cigarettes and standing outside a restuarant to smoke in the cold.

I am quite a fan of fuel alternatives and options like walking, bycycling, taking a train to work....we dont own a car at all. We take the train. Even those here who own cars also opt to use public transportation most of the time or only take the car to a park and ride spot (parking lots near train stops or bus stops).

In spring, I sometimes bycycle to work...its really a gorgeous ride and takes about 1 hour.

Less cars would mean more exercize for people which is also healthy

The infrastructure in the US is not friendly to such options though and I wasnt able to do any of this while I lived in the US. We have teachers who ride their bike to work every day, even in winter. Walkways and bike paths are kept cleared of snow (for strollers as well) so they can easily be used all year round.

I also agree about the water...its rather stupid to poison our own supply. I knew many people who only drank soda or other sugary drinks and never drank water at all!! I enjoy my clean water right from the tap (the plastic bottles are also not good for us and they certainly arent good for the environment).

So I agree that we need to be BETTER on our shared environment, I just dont see that allowing more pollutants is a good thing. We simply need MORE steps in the right direction, not less.

Makedde · #**1056** (**permalink**) 09-29-2008, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Jellah

You dont tax cigarettes or alcohol? The purchase of such items as well as bars, stores, products that assist in quitting etc dont contribute to the economy there? There is no tax on the items such as beer, wine, alcohol and cigarettes?

There is taxes, and I imagine you will say that those taxes are payment, but I don't think so. I don't see it as being the same thing.

heikstheo · #**1057** (**permalink**) 09-29-2008, 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by presluc

ALSO, THERE'S THAT TAX ISSUE .

You have any idea that the taxes paid on cigarettes to the local, state and federal governments?

Yeah! Besides, if the 25% of us who are smokers stopped paying our cigarette taxes, who the hell would the other 75% who are not smokers be able to impose arbitrary taxes upon every time they want taxes raised for something (but don't want to pay the tax increase themselves)?

heikstheo · #**1058** (**permalink**) 09-29-2008, 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by presluc

Well, if people can be pro-chioce on birth why can't I be pro-choice on a good cigarette?

Is it okay to be pro-choice on a bad cigarette or a cheap cigarette? Or just good cigarettes?

Makedde · #**1059** (**permalink**) 09-29-2008, 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by heikstheo

Is it okay to be pro-choice on a bad cigarette or a cheap cigarette? Or just good cigarettes?

Is there any such thing as a good ciggie?

heikstheo · #**1060** (**permalink**) 09-29-2008, 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Makedde

Is there any such thing as a good ciggie?

Apparently, there are some who think so. Personally, I think they're all pretty much filthy and dirty and gross and disgusting. It's just that I've failed at trying to quit so many times over the last 21 years that I've given up on the notion of even trying to quit. But I think the notion of a "good" cigarette arises from the fact that some of the full-price brands are smoother while some of the cheap generic cigarettes (which I smoke) tend to be rather a bit more harsh.

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