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Post the excerpt from your Constitution Law source.
The Third and Fifth Amendments infer that personal property are the right of the owner, the Ninth states that the BoR is not all inclusive, Then case law such as Munn v. Illinois solidify my statements.
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“ The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. ”
^^From the 9th, so other right of anyone should not be construed in a way to restrict the rights of others.

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nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
Your taking a private business is still that until you start banning voluntary activities, then your declaring the space public, otherwise you'd have no jurisdiction.


I did stumble across this on case law, it's what allows this to be possible:

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Regulatory Takings .--While it is established that government may take private property, with compensation, to promote the public interest, that interest also may be served by regulation of property use pursuant to the police power, and for years there was broad dicta that no one may claim damages due to a police regulation designed to secure the common welfare, especially in the area of health and safety regulations. 250 ''The distinguishing characteristic between eminent domain and the police power is that the former involves the taking of property because of its need for the public use while the latter involves the regulation of such property to prevent the use thereof in a manner that is detrimental to the public interest.'' 251 But regulation may deprive an owner of most or all beneficial use of his property and may destroy the values of the property for the purposes to which it is suited. 252 The older cases flatly denied the possibility of compensation for this diminution of property values, 253 but the Court in 1922 established as a general principle that ''if regulation goes too far it will be recognized as a taking.'' 254
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Interesting stuff.

Apparently smoking regulations are not considered "going too far". If enough people really view smoking regulations as being unjustifiable, then public pressure may be able to help eliminate these regulations. If lobbyists jump on the band-wagon, like the NRA with gun control, then it should be a no-brainer, but apparently public health seems to be more important than a business owner's rights at this time.
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There is always someone bigger faster stronger and smarter than you regardless of who you are. But I don’t do half bad. And I maintain my 300 PFT. However I am no speed demon.
Have no clue what PFT is, but my point is that there are healthy people working at McDonalds. You might not meet the cover guy from Muscle Magazine working there, but not everyone there is overweight.
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Have no clue what PFT is, but my point is that there are healthy people working at McDonalds. You might not meet the cover guy from Muscle Magazine working there, but not everyone there is overweight.
I have seen some skinny-ass people working there!
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Have no clue what PFT is, but my point is that there are healthy people working at McDonalds. You might not meet the cover guy from Muscle Magazine working there, but not everyone there is overweight.
Physical fitness test.

And you may be correct. But I have never seen one.
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Just what we need more government intervention into our private lives and a black market cigarettes that we can kill each other over. This is as dumb an idea as they get. Move to a communist country we don't want your kind in the US.
Oh let them ban cigarettes. Apparently they didn't learn their lesson with drugs..

If they think second-hand smoke is bad now, just wait till one out of three people is smoking two packs a day and it only costs them like a dollar..

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i dont care if people smoke as long as i dont smell it or breathe it in, which happens all the time. so i say outlaw them. because smoker's actions effect my life and my lungs. i feel bad for smokers though. they are just so dumb
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i dont care if people smoke as long as i dont smell it or breathe it in, which happens all the time. so i say outlaw them. because smoker's actions effect my life and my lungs. i feel bad for smokers though. they are just so dumb
THE REAL INTERPRETATION IS:
Liberals are too lazy to stay away from SMOKING ESTABLISHMENTS so they want government to wipe their nose and protect their unmotivated butt's!
So EVERYONE ELSE can go get screwed
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