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Old 07-07-2008, 05:58 PM
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I bet you don't know who else historically was anti smoking


So any and everything that can or causes harm should be banned? I'm just using your logic.
Im guessing Hitler.

That is not using my logic. Brief pleasure(i wouldnt even consider it pleasure) is not worth the risks.

if you want to relieve stress do a few pushups or something. Have sex with your wife. Go on a bike ride. Take a nap. Drink a smoothie. None of those are unhealthy and they reduce stress.
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This thread has taken a slight turn from whether or not smoking should be illegal to whether or not smoking is a good idea. The underlying dilemma behind the original question is whether or not the government should protect its individual citizens from themselves. I would answer "no."
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Not unless someone has a disease. Otherwise they can have as much unprotected sex as they want.

So then are you saying that suicide is moral? Should we not try to prevent suicides then?
No. I said in my first post in this thread I don't think suicide should be illegal. I also don't think it's immoral. Do I think we as human being should try to prevent it? Yes. Do I think we should make it illegal? Hell no! People have the right to end their life if they want. It's their (*)(*)(*)(*)ing life!

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This thread has taken a slight turn from whether or not smoking should be illegal to whether or not smoking is a good idea. The underlying dilemma behind the original question is whether or not the government should protect its individual citizens from themselves. I would answer "no."
Which is my point. I'm not trying to say smoking is good!

In fact Daniel started with me by asking what I thought was beneficial to ME about smoking, when all I was saying was that it shouldn't be made illegal. So I explained what he wanted and then he continually tried to point out how bad smoking was and I tried repeatedly to bring it back to the simple fact that people should have a right to do whatever they want with their bodies and lives.

For the record, I understand smoking bans in public places. Being that second hand smoke might be dangerous, I can support these laws somewhat. But the government telling people they can't smoke is just wrong. They have no right to decide what one does with their own life or body as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else. Should we continue to inform people about the dangers of smoking? OF COURSE! Should we not allow them to make the decision for themeself? OF COURSE NOT!
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What an absurd idea. They made hookahs illegal here a few months ago and not a man in the country payed attention and the law was impossible to enforce. That's the only way to deal with government prohibitions. Now the ban on hookahs in public places has been lifted.
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What an absurd idea. They made hookahs illegal here a few months ago and not a man in the country payed attention and the law was impossible to enforce. That's the only way to deal with government prohibitions. Now the ban on hookahs in public places has been lifted.
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As long as they don't pass on their smoke to anyone else (i.e. not infringing on my right to breath smoke-free air), smokers can lite up all day long.

If someone is stupid enough to smoke, they can be my guest. It's not as if the risks associated with smoking are a big secret. We've informed the populace; the choice is theirs.
Yes the choice is theirs. If you flip flop the roles a moment. Is it not an infringement on the rights of the smoker?

Many times when laws are passed they infringe on one side or the other. Crazy isn't it.
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Yes the choice is theirs. If you flip flop the roles a moment. Is it not an infringement on the rights of the smoker?

Many times when laws are passed they infringe on one side or the other. Crazy isn't it.
Katie. Something you will learn here, is very few people actually care about another person's rights, they seem to only care about what they feel to be their rights.
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You know what is even more stupid? Those smokers who sit outside the hospital, in their wheelchairs and hospital gowns, smoking through the hole in their throats where their trach tube is.
That is almost as screwed up as those with a tube who never smoked a day in their lives ...

or those who die in their mid 80's from a cancer unrelated to the smoking.
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Katie. Something you will learn here, is very few people actually care about another person's rights, they seem to only care about what they feel to be their rights.
too many people are advocates of "JUST US"

whatever happened to Justice?
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The government is good enough to provide services to The People from taxes, send troops to foreign lands to preserve our freedom, and provide Medicare and Social Security to The People, but they are apparently a bunch of controlling bastards if they take our smoking rights away.
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