1) A couple can be married by the "church" and not under the law.
2) A couple can be married under the law and not by the church.
3) A couple can be married by the church and under the law.
All three of these options are different and all three are valid. The legal institution of marriage under the Constitution really relates to option 2 because marriage by the Church is not required. The Constitution provides for equal protection to ALL People under the law and not under the religious dogma of the Church. On the issue of same-gender marriage is solely related to Option 2 and nothing else. No one requires or even requests that religious followers must condone same-gender marriage by their church but under the US Constitution they must condone it under the law which is unrelated to their religious beliefs. Christians believe in the Bible and can follow that in their personal lives. This is completely unrelated to the laws of the United States which are controlled by the US Constitution.
The real question is can Christians support the US Constitution? If they don't support the US Constitution then they "AINO's (Americans In Name Only).
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Firstly, TRUE Christians always put God's Law above man's law. The Constitution is man's law. The Constitution, however, recognizes God's Laws in many sections, namely, the free exercise of RELIGION in these UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. The Constitution was originally written as "don't step on my toes, and I won't step on yours". It was easy to follow, because the land was barren and empty, except for the Injuns. But it was GOD'S WILL and Manifest Destiny that the european would conquer these heathens and savages, and bring civilization to the New World. The Injuns and other mestizo populations are fortunate, and BLESSED BY GOD, to have received the white man into his lands. The Constitution was written with room and expansion in mind.
But times have changed, and America is crowded now, flooded with immigrants. It gets harder and harder "not to step on your neighbor's toes", when we're all standing shoulder to shoulder. And that's where we are. So the Constitution must be revised to reflect a different time, era, and setting. The Constitution is still relevant, though.
Christians in the United States do not have problems following the Constitution, because it mostly does not conflict with God's Law. If it ever should, and the Constitution conflicts with God's Law, then CHRISTIANS have every "right", by Divine Law, to turn against it. Because man's law is FALLIBLE and open to CORRUPTION while God's Laws NEVER ARE. God's Laws are absolute, can never be corrupted, no matter how long they exist for. What is true to GOD, was true ten millenniums ago, and will be true ten millenniums in the future. The Constitution is just a piece of paper. God's Law is DIVINE, absolute, permanent.
What do we all see in America today??? Zio-liberal corruption, all around us. Liberfascists want to silence their competition (TRUE CHRISTIANS). The state wants to marry queers. The state wants to mandate morality against Christians. The state practices and preaches SIN, in order to get votes. "Vote for me, because I ENDORSE your sexual perversions and deviancy!" "Vote for me because I approve of your butt sex!!!"
This is the extent of the Zio-neo-lib platform. That's all it amounts too. These fools are SO RIDICULOUS in their atheistic and agnostic "morality", that the best they can do, is call two homosexuals with an adopted child, a "family". Why is it a "family"? Because sex for PROCREATION is OUTLAWED. It has become so ridiculous, such a FARCE, such a LIE, that we must pass of homosexuality as "normal" and heterosexuality as "deviant and abnormal".
To be normal, is to be insane. To want to have sex with women, as a man, for PROCREATIVE reasons, is illegal. That's the direction zionists, liberfascists, atheists, and agnostics are moving toward. Why can't they PREACH normalcy? Because it goes against their self identity. To be "normal" is to be Christian, admittedly. YOU FOLLOW TRUE CHRISTIAN MORALITY. Therefore, you're not actually an atheist, you're not actually an agnost, you're not actually a zionist or liberal. You're a TRUE CHRISTIAN. You believe in sex for procreation, you believe in TRADITIONAL, CONSERVATIVE family values.
Zio-liberals prove themselves hypocrites on every level. "I VOTE FOR BUTT SEX....but am myself NOT a homosexual"
I say.........practice what you preach! If you want to endorse BUTT SEX, then go HAVE IT FIRST. Vote with your actions, not with your EMPTY, HOLLOW opinons. Heterosexuals who vote for "gay marriage" are hypocrites of the highest variety.....typical libs with typical lib mentality. It's like liberals voting for Obama out of WHITE GUILT, rather than voting for him for his positions, character, and ability to lead our country. It's a corrupted and ultimately self-defeating motivation.
Secondly, TRUE CHRISTIAN marriages are the only true form of marriage. Pagan, heathen marriages are not valid under GOD. Why? Because they almost never follow the Christian principle of virtue. A young girl or woman must be virgin, and the marriage must be consummated under the blessing of the entire community on the wedding night. A TRUE CHRISTIAN MARRIAGE is a COMMUNITY EVENT. It is the binding of two, respectable families, and two young lovers, for the rest of their natural born lives.....divorce is OUTLAWED, and any attempt toward the destruction of the marriage, falls under the direct responsibility of the parish, priest, or bishop who marries two young Christians together.
If a marriage fails, then it is the fault of the MAN, the HUSBAND first.....the wife second, and the priest who marries them third. The order of responsibility goes----MAN, woman, priest. Responsibility ultimately falls on men....because men are closer to GOD and CHRIST. Women are not self-responsible creatures. And we cannot put the responsibility of marriage and family, and the future of our nation, onto the shoulders of such weak creatures. It would be like loading a wagon full of stones, and having your dog pull it, rather than your oxen or horse. We entrust young TRUE CHRISTIAN MEN with the future of our glorious nation.
Why is CHURCH important???? Ultimately, it's not, and PROTESTANTS knew this. God is not a "Sunday event only". God is all days of the week, inside and outside of Church. But that does NOT give christians "the right" to dismiss the Church, as blasphemous American protestants have done for centuries now. It does NOT give you the right to criticize Catholics and other GOD FEARING men, who value community. Protestants are more selfish, egotistical, and farther from God. They need to rethink their relationships with GOD. Yes, it's true, GOD is inside AND outside of church. But protestants must realize the IMPORTANCE of the Church. It is a symbol of GOD. It is a reminder of HIM. It is a reminder that....within the sanctified realm of peace, within the Church, also exists God's Good Grace, as it exists elsewhere in life. But we MARRY inside the Church. We don't go outside of this. Because a priest, a representative of God's Word, exists to HELP and AID the marriage relationship, as a third party. He exists to make sure the bride is virgin, and that she will bear the Christian husband his children.....and the priest must make sure the Husband does not engage in sex frivolously with his concubines or second wives. The priest must make sure the Husband is not falling prey to SIN, recklessly. The woman's duty is child bearing, and family. The man's duty is providing and resisting SIN. The priest exists to make sure husband does not corrupt wife, and wife does not corrupt husband.
I have NEVER yet seen a marriage be successful without this....ever. Most non-christian, heathen marriages are FALSE. They're a farce, a mockery and mimicry of TRUE CHRISTIAN marriage and principles, which ALL aspire to. Everybody wants it, few can ever have it. Because it requires so, so much effort to see, realize, and stay true. It takes SO much sacrifice.....to walk toward and near to GOD.
Henry George's theories were based on land ownership and how far a business was from a public resource like a mill or waterway. The man lived and died a decade before the model T was produced much less modern transportation and communication. Not only did Henry George never hear of the Internet, he barely lived long enough to see the electric light. Applying the theories of Henry George to modern nations is about as risky as letting the most brilliant caveman design your next airport.
I find it really silly to think that merely because a woman has never personally had a penis inserted into her vagina, she is automatically a "child", "ignorant and innocent, unwise about men."
And I think that women who have reached the age of 18 can and do have the right to choose their mate without the possible veto of their father.By making the "decision" or "choice" to have sex, she makes a choice that will affect her the rest of her life, for better or worse, about who to PROCREATE with.
I see. So you're not a Christian, then? Because Christians are taught not to judge. For claiming to be one, you sure don't seem to know a lot about how they are supposed to operate.This is why we all judge, secretly if not openly, women by who they choose to have sex with. If a young girl "CHOOSES" to have sex with disgusting, degenerate men.....then we all secretly judge her, and hold contempt for her. Everybody mentally judges each other, based on who we "choose" to have sex with, man or woman, it doesn't matter.
LOL @ "Zionists" --Conspiracy theory subforum is that way, dude -->Men respect other men who only have sex with beautiful, not ugly girls and women. Men disrespect women who are sluts, have sex freely, and give their sex away so cheaply. Men, AND women, will never respect "sluts". The reason why the Zionists and Liberals claim to "respect sluts", is because this is part of their religious and political agenda, to poison our nation. This is also why they sexualize our children, and say that 7 year old boys are "homosexuals". It is a method of discrete social demoralization. The Zionists hate America. They're not loyal to America.....so, the political ideology becomes clear. They want to take what they can get from America, rape our daughters if we let them, steal our wealth....and laugh when they walk away from our borders.
No. It's about, in the case of men who think they should control their adult daughter's sexuality and personal life, to live out pseudo-incestuous feelings and overprotective nonsense about "saving" their daughter from something which is utterly horrible for their daughter, but perfectly fine for the father - being sexual.It's about social decay. It's about pimping and whoring our children, under our noses.
Quote me where. Book, chapter, and verse, please. It's a direct question, and if you do not give me a direct answer, I will know you're full of (*)(*)(*)(*).TRUE Christian men always hold VETO power over their daughter's sexuality, yes.
There's a clear difference between protecting a child - as I do with my son and daughter - and thinking you hold "veto" power over whom they, as adults, will fall in love with and marry.Because Christian fathers do not want their daughters, their CHILDREN, who are not mature yet to make conscious "choices", to have a better life.
Notice I said thinking you hold. Because, as much as you think you do, you don't hold that veto. Trying to act like your children can't marry whom they want is only going to drive them away. Influence them, share your feelings, set a good example for them, and talk to them about what you think is right and wrong, and trust that they will make the right decision. But the decision ultimately will be theirs, no matter what 16th-century arranged marriage nonsense you think you can pull.
I don't know any people who are promoting that. You're simply making it up in your irrational fear of the outside world.A better life for Christian daughters does NOT entail her falling in line with zio-liberfascist feminists....who promote promiscuity, open sexuality, hedonism, homosexuality, gay sex, perversion, orgies.....bestiality, pedophilia.
On the contrary, I think America is better than ever.Once you pervert the daughters of a generation, then an entire society and nation can be lost. And that is EXACTLY where America is headed......down the toilet.
As I said, there's a clear difference between defending your daughter, and thinking you have ultimate veto power over her choices as an adult.All because CHRISTIAN fathers are not doing their part, failing to protect their virgin daughters from SCUM and degenerates. They don't want their daughters to get raped and pimped by disgusting men. What is so wrong with a father defending his daughter???????????????????
Let me explain something to you: Your children are going to marry who they want to marry, period.
You can do your best to guide them, but ultimately, it is their choice. You have no legal, moral, or "Christian" right to choose who they marry, and you will not be able to show me laws, mores, or verses that says otherwise.
Go ahead and try.
If you are hated, and I can't say that you are, it's probably because you clearly think women are lesser human beings, incapable of making adult decisions.Apparently a father defending his daughter's pride in herself, and thus HIS pride in HIMSELF, is "wrong". This is why I'm so hated on this forum....because I promote and preach that fathers ought to protect their daughters, their children, their sons, their families. I am hated, by Zio-liberfascists, because I promote FAMILY and a strong bond within the TRUE christian community.
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