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Old 03-14-2008, 12:39 PM
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"Many years ago, I was so innocent I still considered it possible that we could become

the humane and reasonable America so many members of my generation used to

dream of. We dreamed of such an America during the Great Depression, when there

were no jobs. And then we fought and often died for that dream during the Second

World War, when there was no peace.

But I know now that there is not a chance in hell of America's becoming humane and

reasonable. Because power corrupts us, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Human beings are chimpanzees who get crazy drunk on power. By saying that our

leaders are power-drunk chimpanzees, am I in danger of wrecking the morale of our

soldiers fighting and dying in the Middle East? Their morale, like so many bodies, is

already shot to pieces. They are being treated, as I never was, like toys a rich kid got for

Christmas".

Kurt Vonnegut
1922 - 2007

And so it goes.

George W. Bush has become the first president in the history of the United States to

veto a bill banning torture. It’s a dark day for America. A dark day indeed!

One of my readers recently commented on how thankful he was that George W. Bush

had responded responsibly in reaction to 9/11. I guess the reader is comfortable with

the war costing Americans three billion dollars a week. I am not.

In fact, I have been asked to reprint my remarks made in reference to this comment, and

I do so with conviction.

“Personally, I won't be thanking Bush for breaking US and international law by invading

Iraq. I won't be thanking him for urging the insurgency to "bring it on". I won't be thanking

him for taking liberties with our young soldiers who owe it to their loved ones to come

home in one piece. I won't thank him for burdening our children with horrific national

debt. I won't be thanking him for the damage he has done to Americas reputation

throughout the world.

I won't thank him for violating our constitution, and I won't thank him for torturing our

enemies. I won't thank him for spying on my neighbors, and I won't thank him for stoking

the fires of fear.

I'm just not that kind of thankful.”


Obviously, I stand by my word. It is a very sad day for America.

Brad

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Are you talking about waterboarding? That's hardly torture. I guess you support putting innocent lives on the line because you don't want water droplets put up a terrorist's nose?

Torture: (n) enduring purposefully inflicted excruciating physical pain
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You just described a Hillary speech.
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Listening to a speech from Hillary Clinton is form of torture that should be banned.
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Last time I checked you dont qualify for Geneva Conviention rights if you..

1) Purposely target and attack the innocent

2) Dont wear a uniform.

3) Decapitate your prisioners.

4) Hide behind civilians

5) Fire at troops from schools, mosques, and hospitals.

6) Murder/Kidnap familys of thoes who serve their goverment.

7) Set off bombs in crowded marketplaces and election centers.

8 ) Rob local businesses at gunpoint.

9) Force the local civilians to let you hide wepons in there homes and yards.

When you dont abide by the Geneva conviention, Extream interragation methods are authorised. Why? Because you bring the fight to innocent civilians as opposed to military targets! And If waterboarding saves the lives of innocent Americans/Iraqis then so be it! If they only attacked our troops we wouldent use these methods! Besides. Waterboarding has only been used on High Profile Targets that we knew was hiding intel that would save lives. And it WORKED!

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Are you talking about waterboarding? That's hardly torture. I guess you support putting innocent lives on the line because you don't want water droplets put up a terrorist's nose?

Torture: (n) enduring purposefully inflicted excruciating physical pain
There is a Jamaican saying that goes something like "whoever feels it, knows it" and i'm willing to bet you would break down like a little girl if you had to go through something like that.
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Are you talking about waterboarding? That's hardly torture. I guess you support putting innocent lives on the line because you don't want water droplets put up a terrorist's nose?

Torture: (n) enduring purposefully inflicted excruciating physical pain
According to John McCain:
Japanese were tried and hanged for torturing American prisoners during World War II with techniques that included waterboarding.
It seems that the US thought waterboarding was torture back then!
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/...litics_3554687

And
in 1947, the United States charged a Japanese officer, Yukio Asano, with war crimes for carrying out another form of waterboarding on a U.S. civilian. The subject was strapped on a stretcher that was tilted so that his feet were in the air and head near the floor, and small amounts of water were poured over his face, leaving him gasping for air until he agreed to talk.

"Asano was sentenced to 15 years of hard labor," Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.) told his colleagues last Thursday during the debate on military commissions legislation. "We punished people with 15 years of hard labor when waterboarding was used against Americans in World War II," he said

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...100402005.html

So - your opinion that waterboarding is hardly torture seems to be completely unsupported

BTW - would you mind disclosing where you got your definition of torture. Was that supposed to be from some learned source? Or did you just make it up?
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Last time I checked you dont qualify for Geneva Conviention rights if you..

1) Purposely target and attack the innocent

2) Dont wear a uniform.

3) Decapitate your prisioners.

4) Hide behind civilians

5) Fire at troops from schools, mosques, and hospitals.

6) Murder/Kidnap familys of thoes who serve their goverment.

7) Set off bombs in crowded marketplaces and election centers.

8 ) Rob local businesses at gunpoint.

9) Force the local civilians to let you hide wepons in there homes and yards.

When you dont abide by the Geneva conviention, Extream interragation methods are authorised. Why? Because you bring the fight to innocent civilians as opposed to military targets! And If waterboarding saves the lives of innocent Americans/Iraqis then so be it! If they only attacked our troops we wouldent use these methods! Besides. Waterboarding has only been used on High Profile Targets that we knew was hiding intel that would save lives. And it WORKED!
Please google Hamdan v. Rumsfeld (2006)
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