Even if you do say only "Illegal Immigrants" the majority thinks of illegal Mexicans more than illegal Cubans or Chinese, or even Canadians. Including Hispanics themselves I think. I suppose it doesn't really matter though.

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Just wanted to clarify a segment of my OP: the homeless. In an effort to reduce the need for a guest worker program, my initial post suggested: I would never want to place the able working homeless in the same agriculture grounds as the prisoners, but instead make it two separate institutions.


First, we would need to separate the homeless into: able-working and non-able working. Non-able workers are placed in mental hospitals, disabled living homes, rehabilitation, or jail/prisoner picking grounds if they turned homeless to dodge past legal action. The able-working homeless should have an opportunity for a home, a job, and additional living wages. There is a common industry that's given a description "A job that the average American won't do"...that's right: agriculture!

Acquire cheap housing in agricultural areas, provide a farm for them to work on, and earn their own money. It cleans up our streets, puts food in homeless’ mouths, gives them shelter, and contributes to a low wage American industry. Win-win-win.

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You Guys should Be listening to him because He's Right. The only thing debatable about what you wrote is I believe it's the GOP that are for the Cheap Labor. The Democrats court them for political power under the blanket of 'equality'. It's absolutely true that the Democrats want their votes. They're not Americans, only a backward minority and they never will be just like the blacks. No debate. That's a fact.

Just to achieve some clarity...you’re saying “Righty” is right and we should be listening to him?

I agree with your descriptions, but what does this have to do with the proposal? Nothing like this is even being discussed here.

LOL...what?!?!

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LOL...what?!?! [/quote]

They'll never assimilate. They're going to become a permanent underclass just like the blacks. They're far too different and socially, culturally and academically backward to ever even hope to collectively assimilate into the mainstream white American society. The only immigrants that have assimilated and can assimilate are the Europeans. Truer word never spoken.

Hey hey...now they’re starting to get it:

LA Times, March 1 2007
Colorado to use inmates to fill migrant shortage

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Just thought I’d post some numbers: The leading worry about removing illegal immigrant workers from our labor force would be the collapse of the agriculture industry.

Although this does not propose that all illegal workers in agriculture need to be replaced, but only that a large gap can be filled by helping the other troubled Americans already here. Obviously not every non-violent prisoner will be fit for this type of (closely monitored) work, nor would every homeless person or every welfare recipient be applicable, but a large portion of these troubled Americans could benefit from this sector in our economy.



Will the Increasing Illegal Immigrant Population Cause an Increase in Workers' Comp Premiums?
Only ~1.7 million illegals working in the Agriculture industry.



US Department of Justice - Prison Statistics
~1,053,000 Non-Violent Prisoners.

Study: 744,000 homeless people in U.S.
~744,000 Homeless

The Impact of Welfare Reform
~1.89 million on Welfare

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My proposed theory on how to deal with illegal immigrants? Shoot em in the head. It always worked in South America.

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Hmmmm...No. Let’s conserve this thread space to rational and mature suggestions. TIA.




In regards to the above numbers I quoted, the illegal immigrant workers in the agriculture industry are incorrect...and in fact...overstated. 24% of all farmer workers is irrelevant if you don’t have the total number of farmers that were surveyed (which that source did not). So I went searching for other sources:


Ripe crops languish in the fields1.25 million illegal agricultural workers according to the reputable Diane Feinstein.



Some memes never dieUsing cis.org statistics: 2% of 12 million is ~250,000 illegal agriculture workers.



Washington Times: Senate confronts immigration, April ‘051 million illegal immigrant agriculture workers according to a Senate bill that would “legalize undocumented agriculture workers”.



NPR: Study Details Lives of Illegal Immigrants in U.S.3% in agriculture of the 10 million noted is 300,000 illegal immigrant agriculture workers. From the Neo-Con organization of NPR.



So it ranges anywhere from 250,000-1.25million illegal immigrant agriculture workers. Even if you overestimated and claim that 2 million illegals are doing the spotlight job newly named “A job Americans won’t do: Agriculture” its still pathetic when you compare it to the 3,687,000 American Citizens who are either on welfare, are non-violent prisoners, and/or are homeless (which typically includes jobless).

That’s not to say that all of those 3,687,000 citizens who’re capable of work should be utilized in that specific sector. But to claim that if we don’t have a guest worker program, and constantly allow a serf class to flood our farms, that the industry will collapse and we’ll be paying $10 for a head of lettuce is absolutely ridiculous.




New interesting statistics I found while looking for correct ag-workers : illegal population percentage:

Guestworker Programs: A Threat to American Agriculture
Has Illegal-Immigrant Favoritism Pushed African-American and Teen Unemployment to the Back Burner?

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