Thread: *Illegal and Refugee* should not be entitle to any welfare..........

the us govt must take a firm hand and not allowing *illegal and asylum seeker* to benefit like medicaid,food stamp,cash assistance and other program and that included SSI, When do we are citizen who work and pay our taxes draw the fine line and say enough is enough, If this continue we will but more into debt thank to them scamming the system

I can actually understand your stance as far as illegal immigrants are concerned, even if I don't share it at all. But you seriously want refugees, people who have left their own country because they were persecuted for political or religious reasons, to not get any welfare? How do you justify that?

These people have left their country because of political or religious reasons and most of them have been tortured or at least been threatened. They have survived a terrible experience and decided that they do not have a future in their own country. Now they come to a different country, hoping to get asylum and a better life, and you want to basically let them rot? That's not very humanistic of you. Instead of hate and accusations these people need help and a safe haven. Just put yourself into their shoes for a moment and see if that doesn't change your stance.

I agree with helping those who deserve help. I would include refugees as deserving help. Deadbeats who refuse to work I don't want to help.

Well the irish have bend persecuted for thousand of years did we ask for and handout when we came to america did we ask for *political asylum or a handout* nope because we work hark in america and the same go for the european we made this country for europe by europe

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Irish_sentiment
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonia..._United_States

And as for the other *the illegal and peasant *

US and other govt power give billion of aid to there same country that * asylum seeker * come from and that is my fault or and hard working american that the money is not helping the people

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_foreign_aid
http://www.census.gov/compendia/stat...reign_aid.html

I want to read this from wiki as well
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugee#Asylum_seekers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugee_camp

and read this look at europe and compare it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asylum_..._United_States

Originally Posted by LemurianCitizen

I can actually understand your stance as far as illegal immigrants are concerned, even if I don't share it at all. But you seriously want refugees, people who have left their own country because they were persecuted for political or religious reasons, to not get any welfare? How do you justify that?

These people have left their country because of political or religious reasons and most of them have been tortured or at least been threatened. They have survived a terrible experience and decided that they do not have a future in their own country. Now they come to a different country, hoping to get asylum and a better life, and you want to basically let them rot? That's not very humanistic of you. Instead of hate and accusations these people need help and a safe haven. Just put yourself into their shoes for a moment and see if that doesn't change your stance.

We don't need any dead weight in excess of what we already have. If a refugee can read, write and communicate well in English, has a usable skill, and has value system compatible with traditional American ones [this excludes Islamics and neo-communists], then let them come if there is room for them in the economy. They do not deserve any welfare benefits. If they are lazy entitlement seekers, and won't get a job, they can be bussed to the fields to harvest crops and live in tents and worker camps---this will cut down on the number of Hispanic green cards issued, but so what?

All illegal aliens, should be hunted down and booted out. They deliberatly broke our laws and are not trustworthy anyway. Perhaps a tax credit can be given to each citizen (that pays income taxes) for every illegal he snitches on and is sucessfully deported.

A refugee should be given shelter and safety from prosecution. altough, to drag one's arse half-way across the globe to the US or Sweden is rather odd though, hinting that they aren't really refugees as much as economic migrants. The US and Sweden aren't nieghbors with any war-torn country as far as I know, so I think the refugees should go to the nearest safest land and then we can send money to help maintain the refugeee camps there. much cheaper than having them live here anyways. And being a refugee means that you are entitled to protection, not citizenship. You have no right to by pass the normal requirements just because you are fleeing, and you should be sent home as soon as possible.

I find it rather questionable that "refugees" and "aslylum seekers" should have to get up and move to my country before they can get free handouts. Most of these refugees come for economic reasons, the political claims are just an excuse.

I bet half of those that are approved asylum would change their minds and decide they did not really want to move if they could get free housing and free education for their children where they already are.

Why are we incentivising all these immigrants to move to our countries? We are paying them to come here!

I am going to end this post with a little quote from the American House representative Ron Paul: "If you subsidise something you get more of it!"

Granny says, "Now dey fakin' birth certificates...

Immigration fraud ring hits Tennessee
Sep 29, 2012 | Genuine Puerto Rican birth certificates mailed to undocumented aliens

Federal immigration officials are investigating a widespread illegal operation involving the mailing of genuine Puerto Rican birth certificates and other forms of identification to undocumented immigrants living in Tennessee and throughout the U.S. A federal magistrate judge in Nashville ruled in a preliminary hearing Thursday that there was probable cause for a grand jury to pursue an indictment against Andy Javier Torrez-Martinez, also known as Ezekial Rico-Mendez, an illegal immigrant living in Smyrna. There have been other, and some larger, arrests involving illegal documents in at least 14 states and Puerto Rico, indicating extensive and organized illegal operations from Nebraska to Rhode Island to Florida.

Special Agent Michael Perez, an agent within with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, brought a criminal complaint against Rico-Mendez after a multistate investigation of a group involved in the sale of illegally obtained birth certificates and other documents used for identification and as proof of citizenship sold to people in Middle Tennessee. The three criminal complaints brought against Rico-Mendez include conspiracy to unlawfully possess and transfer five or more identification documents, sale of United States citizenship documents and sale of Social Security cards. The complaint, written by Perez, describes the investigation, which began in July 2011 and involved two cooperating defendants. In April 2012, agents arrested the first unnamed defendant based on the purchase of a genuine Puerto Rican birth certificate and a matching Social Security card.

The defendant identified her supplier as Wandy Omar Sosa, who was located and arrested in Woonsocket, R.I. Sosa cooperated and told agents he acted as a broker contacted by vendors through cellphones to arrange transactions wired through Western Union. After receiving a fee, Sosa paid Puerto Rican suppliers who would then mail documents to addresses in Middle Tennessee through the U.S. Postal Service. Sosa identified Andy Javier Torrez-Martinez as a vendor, and on Sept. 22 postal inspectors confirmed that a parcel had been mailed from Puerto Rico to Torrez-Martinez. The inspectors obtained a federal search warrant and intercepted the parcel, finding identification documents. After the inspection, agents delivered the parcel to Torrez-Martinez and he accepted delivery. Agents executed a separate search warrant and recovered the documents.

In the course of an interview on the property, agents discovered that the defendant's real name is Ezekial Rico-Mendez, and he had obtained Puerto Rican identification upon moving to Tennessee from Mexico six years ago. While being questioned during Thursday's hearing, Agent Perez said that the documents were genuine, as opposed to being created on a computer or copied, and they corresponded to living Puerto Rican citizens. He specified that the documents were being brought into the United States to be used as evidence of U.S. citizenship for work purposes and to obtain driver's licenses. Upon his arrest, Rico-Mendez admitted to receiving documents from Sosa, transferring them to undocumented immigrants in this district and that he was here illegally. The government's attorney, Hilliard H. Hester III, declined to comment on details or the extent of the case, calling it "an investigation that's continuing to be looked at."

A widespread problem

Waltky: I just wanted to say that I appriciate what you do. Your "granny/my uncle (or something) says [something with a written accent]" thing. really like that honest. keep it up