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Old 04-29-2008, 03:43 PM
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There actually has been several proposals for this. I dug them up once for another thread.

H.R. 698 (Deal, R-GA, 9 February 2005) proposes to amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to declare that US-born children whose parents are not US citizens or permanent residents should be considered not to be subject to the jurisdiction of the US, and thus not US citizens under the 14th Amendment. Whether this tactic would survive an inevitable court challenge is, to say the least, uncertain. (Similar measures have been introduced in past Congresses; e.g., H.R. 1567 in the 108th Congress, H.R. 190 in the 107th Congress, and H.R. 319 in the 106th Congress.)

So, some lawmakers are thinking about it, they just haven't been able to get the support.
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the problem is illegal immigration. solve that (can be done almost overnight at minimal cost) and all you then have left is a solution in search of a problem
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Whether this tactic would survive an inevitable court challenge is, to say the least, uncertain.
It wouldn't. They can't modify the Constitution with a simple law. It'll take another constitutional amendment to revise the 14th amendment.
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I do not believe Americans come there for your social programs but I know many Canadians who come here to smuggle up our superior and cheaper products, and Three neighbors I have are Canadian citizens are here for a better life , thanks for your help developing the nukes .and In WW2 but I say you socialist should of shot the American Cowards who ran , we can thank ole Big teeth Carter for letting them back , I despise those cowardly bastards when my Father and 2 uncles went and did their duty and the cowards ran and did their dooty in your country
Canada's Human development index is 4th in the world, the US is 12th. So, its quite clear Canada is better place than the US to live in. http://hdr.undp.org/en/statistics/ In regards to smuggling, American seniors flood into Canada daily to smuggle back perscription drugs, thanks to the price gouging that goes on in your country.

It wasn't WW2 where Americans fled to Canada, we would have shot them because we were involved in world war 2 a few years before you.

It was the Vietnam war where 60,000 or so Americans ran to Canada. I agree, shoot them, I have no problem with that. But we had a liberal government at the time which was heavily against the war, they let the Americans in. But, the fact is they could have went anywhere in the world, they choose Canada because we have a high quality of life. Right now we have Americans yet again fleeing to Canada because of the Iraq war. Execution is now illegal in Canada so shooting them isn't an option, but sending the back to you certainly is, but they hide well and use our legal system to stay here.

The only reason Canadians find your products cheap is that your labour standards are lower for one, and your economy is tanking which means your dollar is in the dumpster. If people are smuggling they are just stupid, the tariffs at the border are low.
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I totally agree with an amendment to the US constitution that would remove the right of citizenship to the children of illegal immigrants. I think Canada should do the same. If you can't get a legal status in a country then why should the taxpayers pay for you? I may be a liberal by nature but on this subject I'm conservative.

For my part I really don't mind having Americans come to Canada because they integrate to the system. The vast majority of them get a legal status, get a job, buy a house and pay taxes. Plus, they speak english so the adaptation is easier for them. Even better they are less inclined than canadian-born people to do the traditional Quebec Bashing. Even if they come to Quebec, most Americans are willing to learn french in order to integrate. That is something english-canadians don't care to do for the most part.
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You know, people are putting out legislation calling for a Constitutional Amendment to ban Gay Marriage, but I see that no one is seriously sponsoring any kind of legislation that would change the Constitution to deny citizenship to those children who are born in this country to illegal immigrants.
If a child is born in your country, whether they are the child of illegal immigrants or not, that child is an American citizen.

They cannot be a citizen of Mexico having been born in the US, can they?
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You know, people are putting out legislation calling for a Constitutional Amendment to ban Gay Marriage, but I see that no one is seriously sponsoring any kind of legislation that would change the Constitution to deny citizenship to those children who are born in this country to illegal immigrants.

At the time the Constitution was written, this was not a problem. But now we know it is, it's a way for people to circumvent the process and get to their children rights without becoming a citizen the right way.

I'm saying that rather than just the requirement that they be born on American soil, I'm saying you amend it so that they have to be born to at least one LEGAL US Citizen, or at the very least have Green Card status.

Why does this seem to be such a difficult concept for our elected government? It seems it would just be common sense, right?
I support this amendment. I live practically in ground zero of the illegal invasion and I can see the effects it has every day. I definitely remember before the mass invasion began and I see what has happened since. It is a bad thing. All arguments in favor of keeping the illegals here are clueless and patronizing and I will not open my mind to other possibilities than getting the invaders out in any way possible.
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We already have plenty of illegals who leech off our services. They're called Americans?
Exactly what social services, education, and health care, are illegal aliens in Canada entitled to? I'd really like an answer to my question.

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Immigration Canada said there will not be an amnesty. The federal agency said they have a legal duty to remove people who have come to this country without following the proper procedures.
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It was the Vietnam war where 60,000 or so Americans ran to Canada. I agree, shoot them, I have no problem with that. But we had a liberal government at the time which was heavily against the war, they let the Americans in. But, the fact is they could have went anywhere in the world, they choose Canada because we have a high quality of life. Right now we have Americans yet again fleeing to Canada because of the Iraq war. Execution is now illegal in Canada so shooting them isn't an option, but sending the back to you certainly is, but they hide well and use our legal system to stay here.
Not really. As I said before, Canada will not extradite if you face the death penalty (or rather they have a history of not doing so). Now if they really went to Canada for its high quality of life then you would have seen them coming in before they were going to be drafted.
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