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Old 07-19-2008, 08:24 AM
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This important issue of universal mandatory e-verification of the legal status of employees, which would force scumbag employers of illegals to stop hiring illegals, would end the jobs magnet that draws illegals here in the first place, and would effectively stop the illegal Mexican invasion, deserves double coverage, don't you think?

After reading my post to you regarding e-verify, you must understand many many jobs and businesses will fold. I don't think you can comprehend the huge loss of money for any state using e-verify. The loss would be enormous and then we can hear you complain how unemployment has pretty much been depleted of funds, how you can barely afford groceries or pay bills.
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First kick out the illegal Mexican scabs, THEN raise the pay and then some legal American citizens might show up.
I'll have no further dialogue with you since your arrogance persists in name-calling of immigrants.

I don't care what your word means--it is derogatory and not productive in any conversation or debate!!
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I'll have no further dialogue with you since your arrogance persists in name-calling of immigrants.

I don't care what your word means--it is derogatory and not productive in any conversation or debate!!
Just another troll.
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You have to pretty naive to believe manufacturers pass the savings of cheap labor onto the consumer - and certainly not to the degree of 500%.
Labor is by far the single most expensive process in my business. If you wish to increase labor costs, it will definitely have a ripple affect on the consumer price. How much that affect is depends on how much you wish to increase compensation.

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Besides that, there is a difference between legal and illegal immigrants. They aren't interchangeable.
There are immigrants here who have become citizens.
There are immigrants here who have work visas but no citizenship.
There are immigrants here with no work visas and no citizenship.

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And there are plenty of 'white boys' that take jobs at temp agencies - and they make far less than $12/hr. I've never heard of day workers making $12/hr at any temp agency.
Labor that comes from the local job bank costs $12/hour. No money goes to the job bank--the wages are paid directly to the worker. Other workers not processing through the job bank ask for and usually demand the same $12/hour minimum. If you wish to call me a liar then go ahead, but I'm telling you for the last time; there has never been a White boy at the job bank or working with any private crews--they are nearly 100% Hispanic.

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If you don't see 'white boys' at the temp agency it's more likely because of the demographics of your area than the fact that 'white boys' won't work for that little, because there are 'white boys' that work for minimum wage and support themselves.
Other than farm laborers, the area in which I live is 99% White.

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We're not talking about herding them together and executing them. I understand the complexities of illegal immigration and that it can't be fixed overnight. But just because there is a system in place that has forced you to depend on illegal immigrants doesn't mean that's the only possible way that could ever work.
I have three choices of who to use for labor and they are listed above. Almost never are there any immigrants who are citizens that are willing to do this work. 99.9% of the time the laborers come from those with work visas and those without work visas. I have no other choices and there ARE NOT enough people to go around so pickins are slim--I have no choice but to use whomever is available on any given day.

These workers have been part of CA and AZ farming for many decades--this is nothing new. Fifty years ago maybe a few White boys might work in the fields, but over time they all feel this type of work is beneath them. Honestly I don't think it makes any difference what the wage is! And these workers we have work non-stop from the time they start until when they quit...except breaks and lunch...no loafing...no crying...no calling in sick...no nothing--just work. Try to get this out of our wonderful White-boys!

If there was a gluttony of workers where I could be choosy and hire only those who are citizens, I would...but unfortunately I don't have this choice...
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I'll have no further dialogue with you since your arrogance persists in name-calling of immigrants.

I don't care what your word means--it is derogatory and not productive in any conversation or debate!!
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Raise the pay and eventually a White boy will show up...gemme a fricken break??!!
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Try to get this out of our wonderful White-boys!
You've exposed yourself as just another phoney pro illegal. Referring to American workers as "white boys" seems to be somewhat racist. Anyone that refers to illegal aliens as immigrants instead of illegal immigrants as you do exposes you as a pro illegal. Being offended by my calling illegal aliens illegal Mexican scabs, scabs being a term used for outside workers who come in to break labor, lets us know where your bias lies.
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Maybe we should stop alienating ourselves from illegal immigrants and instead try to alleviate the problem. They're not going away. We need to figure out how to prevent crime and tax evasion while they occupy this country. It's naive to think we can just build a wall.
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Maybe we should stop alienating ourselves from illegal immigrants and instead try to alleviate the problem. They're not going away. We need to figure out how to prevent crime and tax evasion while they occupy this country. It's naive to think we can just build a wall.
We'll see how it plays out. Clearly the only ones profiting from the so called cheap illegal Mexican scabs are the scumbag employers of illegals who are making lucrative profits off of exploiting the illegals, while at the same time the American taxpayers are subsidizing the so called cheap illegal Mexican scabs, with fraudulently obtained social services, incarceration, overcroweded ERs, overcrowed schools ruining the quality of our education, etc.
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We'll see how it plays out. Clearly the only ones profiting from the so called cheap illegal Mexican scabs are the scumbag employers of illegals who are making lucrative profits off of exploiting the illegals, while at the same time the American taxpayers are subsidizing the so called cheap illegal Mexican scabs, with fraudulently obtained social services, incarceration, overcroweded ERs, overcrowed schools ruining the quality of our education, etc.
To be fair, our schools were already overcrowded and our economy was going to (*)(*)(*)(*) anyway. I do agree that they shouldn't be allowed to exploit the system but they aren't really effecting the economy or the schools.

There have always been illegal immigrants, it's only been recently that people have started becoming aware of the situation. Whatever problems people claim that we have now, we have already had and cannot be attributed to the 'sudden influx' of immigrants.

They shouldn't be allowed to exploit the system but this is an argument of principle (which I think is sometimes rooted in xenophobia or racism). The only problems we face are those dealing with taxes and potential crime, but there has not been a proven increase in crime since this illegal alien craze.
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To be fair, our schools were already overcrowded and our economy was going to (*)(*)(*)(*) anyway. I do agree that they shouldn't be allowed to exploit the system but they aren't really effecting the economy or the schools.
If our schools were already overcrowded what shape are they in today as a result of the illegal Mexican invasion? Already limited school resources stretched to the limit by the disruptive influx of hordes of illegal's children who don't even speak English. And when exactly was our economy going to pot before the flood of illegal Mexican scabs was allowed by our corrupt fed gov?

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There have always been illegal immigrants, it's only been recently that people have started becoming aware of the situation. Whatever problems people claim that we have now, we have already had and cannot be attributed to the 'sudden influx' of immigrants.
The American sheeple have recently become aware of the situation, because of the now overwhelming hordes of illegals here now and the hordes just keep coming. Actually miriads of problems can be attributed to the 'sudden influx of illegal aliens'.

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They shouldn't be allowed to exploit the system but this is an argument of principle (which I think is sometimes rooted in xenophobia or racism). The only problems we face are those dealing with taxes and potential crime, but there has not been a proven increase in crime since this illegal alien craze.
Not being allowed to exploit the system is what the new employers of illegals sanctions laws are about, i.e. e-verifying the legal status of employees. That's just common sense, now isn't it? It might be difficult to access to total amount of crime committed by illegals, being as how a lot of crimes committed against other illegals would go unreported. And too, whenever a crime is committed by a suspected illegal alien, there's always some pro illegal handy to ask 'how do you know they're illegal?'

One would almost think that pro illegals were working very hard to try to change the notion that illegals commit a lot of crimes, to make the American sheeple more amenable to bending over for the illegal Mexican invasion, of course.
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