Since the fed gov is totally dysfunctional, regarding illegal immigration, because it is run by and for the special interest ruling elites, the latest trend in the fight to stop the illegal Mexican invasion is for the states to start passing tough on illegals/tough on the employers of illegals laws. Mandatory E-verification of the legal status of employees is what makes these laws work. It is the key to success. Mandatory E-verification makes all of those fake documents that illegals carry around worthless. If an employer is caught with illegals, he is just that, caught. Mandatory E-verification leaves the employers caught with illegals with no excuse. The employer must face the consequences. Massive fines, loss of business license, whatever. Most employers won't risk it and will fire their illegals. Voila. Universal mandatory e-verification would stop the illegal Mexican invasion COLD. New illegals, with no prospect of a job here, wouldn't come and most of those already here, suddenly without a job and with no prospect of a job, would have to self deport themselves back to where they came from. All this at very little cost to the American taxpayers.

I think "very little cost to the American taxpayer" is wrong, and I'm not sure why you think that. Without getting into the debate over how much of our economy relies on illegal immigrants and the labor shortage we'd face if they all "self-deported", who pays for the e-verification? That requires records, computer systems, internet access, things which require expensive equipment that the constructions sites, hotels, farms and other capital-poor businesses which tend to hire illegals would have to pay for, out of their taxpayer dollars.

The alternative is that the system is financed and paid for by the government on the taxpayer's dime rather than the employers, but that still hurts taxpayers.

After all this, you still have to take into account the increased costs of operations incurred by business that now have to pay more money for legal workers (most of whom wouldn't do the sort of labor Mexicans do for minimum wage in a million years). Cost of business goes up, prices rise to reflect it, taxpayers suffer. QED.


I wish people would just accept that the illegal immigrant labor pool is not just important, but vital.

Absolutely right..
on a similar note.. let them drive! Its counterproductive to straight up refuse to recognize these peoples existence. What we need to do is have everyones names and prints on paper in case something bad - murder or car accident - happens. If nothing bad happens then let them stay! Theyre buying food which means theyre paying SOME form of tax.
Actually, what we NEED to do is fix the citizenship application process so these people can start supporting their country like the rest of us. Or hell, maybe we could stop exploiting mexico or start some talks to stop the embargo with cuba..? so many ways to help the problem other than ousting them.

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The social security database is a very simple data base. One social security number for each legal citizen. Simple. The cost of maintaining such a system so that businesses can call in and check a prospective employee's social security number against the database is minimal, especially when compared to other government programs.

E-verify is paid for by American tax dollars, just like free social services for illegals and their families, free ER medical for the illegal and his family, free education for the illegal's children, incarceration of criminal illegals, etc. Legal citizens get a lot more bang for the buck with e-verify.

So, the scumbag employers of illegals will no longer be able to illegally employ illegals? Yes, scumbag employers of illegals will have to hire legal Americans. How awful. Yes, the scumbag employers of illegals will have to pay more for legal Americans because legal Americans won't work for that lowest wage that an illegal alien will work for. The scumbag employer of illegals will lose his unfair labor advantage over his competition that doesn't hire illegals. If prices go up somewhat there'll be more employed American citizens around, earning higher wages, to pay the somewhat higher prices.

I just wish people would just accept that the so-called cheap subsidized illegal alien labor is not so important to the economy as it is to the bottom line of the employers of illegals. The employers of illegals don't want to lose those lucrative profits from employing cheap subsidized illegal labor.

Another pro illegal with an agenda? Nah, couldn't be. Were not ousting the illegals. We're going to let the illegals self deport themselves. Let the illegals go back to all those wonderful places they come from. If those employers of illegals hadn't let it be known that if you break into the country we, the employers of illegals will hire and exploit you, then the illegals would never have come in the first place. Most of those illegals already here, suddenly without jobs, would have to simply go back to those wonderful places they came from. The illegals that don't self deport? Well, we come down on those illegals hard, because without jobs, illegals would have to turn to crime to survive.

I actually liked the argument that you made to izzur, by the way. hoever, have you forgotten why it is that they are in this country, allowing their labor to be exploited so they can eat cans of corn and rice every day and send money back to the (*)(*)(*)(*) - hole countries they came from? its because mexico sucks and cuba sucks and the islands suck and south america can suck in some places. again, maybe the us should do its part and stop exploiting these entire countries so their citizens dont have to flee to find food and running water or the means to acquire both. again, we need to stop this embargo with cuba.. THIS is vital. we need to look outside our countries border and at least feign consideration for people who are different from us. only then can we find the ROOT of the problem and fix it. just keeping illegals from working here isnt going to fix anything other than allowing some of us to sleep easier. what i can see happening is they put all of these laws into place and people STILL employ and exploit illegal aliens and the ones who cant get a job resort to growing and selling weed or coke then we have a whole new set of problems.. yes some of them will get caught and go to jail but not all of them.. there will be more crime in the end.

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Thanks. Well, would you estimate that maybe 1 billion people give or take a few would like to come to the US for a better life? Unfortunately for them we have to take care of Americans first and foremost. America is a country of laws. Should we get away from the rule of law so that a few industries can have so called cheap subsidized labor, but at the risk of ruining this country and the values it was built on? The only ones profiting from the so called cheap subsidized illegal labor are the scumbag employers of illegals. What do taxpayers get from all of these illegals? Maybe some cheaper prices, along with massive illegal fraudulent use of social services, overcrowding of ER medical, hospital closings, overcrowding and lowering of the quality of our schools, record incarceration rates for criminal illegals, etc.

Forcing scumbag employers of illegals to stop hiring illegals will stop the jobs magnet that draws illegals here, with the result that very few new illegals will continue to break in. Those that still do break in have something else on their minds besides just a job. Without a job, those that are already here who came here just for a job will probably just go back home. Those that stay here even though they don't have jobs, well, are going to be highly suspect. We may need to keep an eye on those.

How is it exactly that we're exploiting any of these countries, seems to me their are the ones taking advantage of our system.

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ah youre absolutely right. it comes down to a question of whether we can put the best interests of everyone, not just those in america, into consideration or should we work to better ourselves even at the expense of other countries. i actually attended a lecture not long ago and asked the guy this very question: can a govt work for both the good of the citizens and non citizens and to what degree of difficulties would cause it to act at the expense of those not part of the country?
it was a looong answer and basically, the government is there to protect its people, obviously. but i feel its counterproductive not to consider others in trying to fix our problems because these problems are overarching and not exclusive to just the us.. everyone is involved.
really, there is no win win with the immigration problem; deport them back to their s***** countries and they live a wretched life while our economy evens out. keep them here and we get a varying economy, exploitation of people whether theyre citizens or not, and their s***** countries are still s*****.
it all has its roots in govt corruption and it wont change so we need to think o f something else; if we can invade a country to save people from injustices why cant we look toward other injustices such as poverty and disease

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Again, first and foremost, the function of the government is to protect and serve it's taxpaying citizens, per the Constitution. There is no amendment that says our government should be even concerned with injustices in other countries. Since we have a government by and for special interest elite ruling groups, not by and for the people anymore, I'm not sure how much the special interest ruling elite groups are worried about injustice, poverty and disease in other countries, unless there is something to exploit about it.