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So once again, the government sits on their asses until there is a serious crisis, then offers their "solution" in an environment of panic: more power, more money, and more control for the people that didn't do their jobs to begin with. They say, "Since we didn't enforce the laws, you (the US citizen) need to be tracked in a database and jump through hoops to get a job." E-verification (no doubt one step on the road toward implanted microchips) sounds like a reasonable answer to the problem, but it only appears so because they let it get to a state of emergency. Just like Katrina. Just like 9/11. The government capitalizes on crises created by their own inaction. And the "solution" is always the same.
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So once again, the government sits on their asses until there is a serious crisis, then offers their "solution" in an environment of panic: more power, more money, and more control for the people that didn't do their jobs to begin with. They say, "Since we didn't enforce the laws, you (the US citizen) need to be tracked in a database and jump through hoops to get a job." E-verification (no doubt one step on the road toward implanted microchips) sounds like a reasonable answer to the problem, but it only appears so because they let it get to a state of emergency. Just like Katrina. Just like 9/11. The government capitalizes on crises created by their own inaction. And the "solution" is always the same.
It's certainly true that our corrupt fed gov, saleable to the highest bidder lobbyists, was bought off by the employers of illegals into allowing the flood of illegal Mexican scabs into the US. The corrupt fed gov has started doing some for show only dog and pony ICE raids that are for the most part ineffective. These tough on the employers of illegals sanctions laws are being passed at the states level, not the fed level. The American people have long realized that if any enforcement of immigration laws is to be done, it will have to come from the states. Mandatory e-verification by employers to check the legals status of employees is simple, quick and not a whole lot of trouble. It's common sense, really.

Universal mandatory e-verification renders an illegal's fake documents worthless. It's the only thing that will force scumbag employers of illegal to stop hiring illegals. That stops the jobs magnet that draws the illegals here in the first place. Most of those illegals already here who have suddenly lost their jobs will for the most part be forced to self deport back to where they came from.
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It's certainly true that our corrupt fed gov, saleable to the highest bidder lobbyists, was bought off by the employers of illegals into allowing the flood of illegal Mexican scabs into the US. The corrupt fed gov has started doing some for show only dog and pony ICE raids that are for the most part ineffective. These tough on the employers of illegals sanctions laws are being passed at the states level, not the fed level. The American people have long realized that if any enforcement of immigration laws is to be done, it will have to come from the states. Mandatory e-verification by employers to check the legals status of employees is simple, quick and not a whole lot of trouble. It's common sense, really.

Universal mandatory e-verification renders an illegal's fake documents worthless. It's the only thing that will force scumbag employers of illegal to stop hiring illegals. That stops the jobs magnet that draws the illegals here in the first place. Most of those illegals already here who have suddenly lost their jobs will for the most part be forced to self deport back to where they came from.

Just curious, when was it exactly you started shunning illegal immigrants?
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Just curious, when was it exactly you started shunning illegal immigrants?
What an odd way to put it. When did I start shunning illegal aliens? 5 or 6 years ago I was just a sheeple living in DFW wondering why the fed gov wasn't stopping the flood of illegals breaking into the country, just another naive Republican. I do have a legal Mexican American son in law in Houston, and I didn't really have anything against illegals personally. We have a legal system for allowing applicants to become legal immigrants. It works for me. America needs to do what is best for America, not what immigrants think America should do for immigrants. We're a nation of laws and I want those laws obeyed. I don't believe in path ways to citizenship for those 20 million illegal aliens in the country. I want all of these illegals to go back to where they came from. I believe employers of illegals sanctions laws with mandatory e-verification of the legal status of an employee is the best way to accomplish this. If we remove the jobs magnet, all except criminal illegal aliens will stop breaking in. Those illegals already here, except criminal illegal aliens, suddenly without jobs will mostly self deport back to where they came from.

I do have a lot of trouble with paid pro illegal open border lobbyists with overlapping agendas, though.

I also believe that el presidente jorge's administration is one of the most corrupt and incompetent administrations in this nation's history and was bought out by the scumbag employers of illegals into allowing a flood of illegal Mexican scabs into this country.

I also believe that the Democratic party is blatantly hispandering and trying to engineer an amnesty for all of those, future Democratic voters if amnestied, illegals.
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What an odd way to put it. When did I start shunning illegal aliens? 5 or 6 years ago I was just a sheeple living in DFW wondering why the fed gov wasn't stopping the flood of illegals breaking into the country, just another naive Republican. I do have a legal Mexican American son in law in Houston, and I didn't really have anything against illegals personally. We have a legal system for allowing applicants to become legal immigrants. It works for me. America needs to do what is best for America, not what immigrants think America should do for immigrants. We're a nation of laws and I want those laws obeyed. I don't believe in path ways to citizenship for those 20 million illegal aliens in the country. I want all of these illegals to go back to where they came from. I believe employers of illegals sanctions laws with mandatory e-verification of the legal status of an employee is the best way to accomplish this. If we remove the jobs magnet, all except criminal illegal aliens will stop breaking in. Those illegals already here, except criminal illegal aliens, suddenly without jobs will mostly self deport back to where they came from.

I do have a lot of trouble with paid pro illegal open border lobbyists with overlapping agendas, though.

I also believe that el presidente jorge's administration is one of the most corrupt and incompetent administrations in this nation's history and was bought out by the scumbag employers of illegals into allowing a flood of illegal Mexican scabs into this country.

I also believe that the Democratic party is blatantly hispandering and trying to engineer an amnesty for all of those, future Democratic voters if amnestied, illegals.
I know there is a legal procedure everyone should follow but when our own government didn’t enforce the rules when the influx of illegal immigrants started to come over, basically ignoring it, how do you think the illegal immigrants took it? “Well, hey, the government isn’t enforcing the laws, no one is stopping us, they want us to come”, guess what? We’re coming; and they keep coming.

You say America does what’s best for America; isn’t that what they’re actually doing? They’re bringing much money into the economy, they are paying taxes. The Social Security suspense file is bulging with monies that the illegal immigrants won’t see, but Americans.
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I know there is a legal procedure everyone should follow but when our own government didn’t enforce the rules when the influx of illegal immigrants started to come over, basically ignoring it, how do you think the illegal immigrants took it? “Well, hey, the government isn’t enforcing the laws, no one is stopping us, they want us to come”, guess what? We’re coming; and they keep coming.

You say America does what’s best for America; isn’t that what they’re actually doing? They’re bringing much money into the economy, they are paying taxes. The Social Security suspense file is bulging with monies that the illegal immigrants won’t see, but Americans.
Yeah. YOU came, didn't you? El presidente jorge, bought off by the Republican scumbag employers of illegals allowed the hordes of illegal Mexican scabs to flood into the US. Do you think that because we have a traitor in the WH that let the hordes of illegal Mexican scabs in, that they are going to get to stay? The states are doing what the corrupt fed gov won't, that is, enforce existing immigration laws. Oh yeah, the fed gov is doing some dog and pony shows and deporting a few hundred thousand illegals a year, while up to 10,000 illegals a day, every day, continue to break in.

The states passing employers of illegals sanctions laws requiring employers to e-verify the legal status of employees, which forces scumbag employers to stop hiring illegal Mexican scabs, which removes the jobs magnet that draws illegals here, AND STOPS THE ILLEGAL MEXICAN INVASION COLD. Those 20 million illegals here now, suddenly without jobs, will have to start thinking about returning back to their south of the border hell holes. Attrition through self deportation.

I said that American NEEDS to do what is best for America. It's not the economy, but the employers of illegals that are profiting from the so called cheap illegal labor, which is subsidized by the American taxpayers, in bllions in fraudulently obtained social services, in using ERs are their medical plans, in overcrowding and ruining the quality of American education, incarceration of illegals, etc.

So what if the social security suspence file is bulging with money that illegal aliens won't see.
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Yeah. YOU came, didn't you? El presidente jorge, bought off by the Republican scumbag employers of illegals allowed the hordes of illegal Mexican scabs to flood into the US. Do you think that because we have a traitor in the WH that let the hordes of illegal Mexican scabs in, that they are going to get to stay? The states are doing what the corrupt fed gov won't, that is, enforce existing immigration laws. Oh yeah, the fed gov is doing some dog and pony shows and deporting a few hundred thousand illegals a year, while up to 10,000 illegals a day, every day, continue to break in.

The states passing employers of illegals sanctions laws requiring employers to e-verify the legal status of employees, which forces scumbag employers to stop hiring illegal Mexican scabs, which removes the jobs magnet that draws illegals here, AND STOPS THE ILLEGAL MEXICAN INVASION COLD. Those 20 million illegals here now, suddenly without jobs, will have to start thinking about returning back to their south of the border hell holes. Attrition through self deportation.

I said that American NEEDS to do what is best for America. It's not the economy, but the employers of illegals that are profiting from the so called cheap illegal labor, which is subsidized by the American taxpayers, in bllions in fraudulently obtained social services, in using ERs are their medical plans, in overcrowding and ruining the quality of American education, incarceration of illegals, etc.

So what if the social security suspence file is bulging with money that illegal aliens won't see.

I was born here.

Bush wasn’t the only one who turned his cheek regarding illegal immigrants coming in. What the states are doing now is much too late.

Businesses want cheap labor, and consumers want low prices. Americans want it all basically.

So does the money just sit there? "Oh, I don't see that there's any way that it's not being used," says Baca.

We're into government accounting here, but basically yes. The earnings suspense file is part of the pool of social security trust fund money held -- and borrowed from -- by the government. The government borrows from trust fund money then repays it (again on paper) in things like treasury bonds. So the money goes right back out the door and gets used for all the things the federal government does; fights war, pays for social programs, builds roads, etc. But the money has to be re-paid to the file, lest it not be there when someone comes to claim it. But when money from illegal immigrants comes in under false or stolen identities, they're not likely to come back and claim it.

Experts like Jones believe the federal government comes out ahead when it comes to illegal immigrants. "For the most part the federal government gets more in the form of tax payments from undocumented workers than they pay out in the form of benefits." It's the states, like Colorado which pay the price of emergency medical services and education mandated by the federal government. (See our Tough Question pieces on immigration from last year.)

Baca believes it's a way immigrants pay the price for living in the shadows.

"They are being taxed as a result of being in the United States without the appropriate documents."

With Social Security looking at insolvency in the decades ahead, expect debate about the earnings suspense file and whether that money should be held -- on paper -- for people who are unlikely ever to claim it.

http://cbs4denver.com/goodquestion/I....2.560582.html


So when driving on a newly built road in your area, say thanks to the illegal immigrant.
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I was born here.

Bush wasn’t the only one who turned his cheek regarding illegal immigrants coming in. What the states are doing now is much too late.

Businesses want cheap labor, and consumers want low prices. Americans want it all basically.

So does the money just sit there? "Oh, I don't see that there's any way that it's not being used," says Baca.

We're into government accounting here, but basically yes. The earnings suspense file is part of the pool of social security trust fund money held -- and borrowed from -- by the government. The government borrows from trust fund money then repays it (again on paper) in things like treasury bonds. So the money goes right back out the door and gets used for all the things the federal government does; fights war, pays for social programs, builds roads, etc. But the money has to be re-paid to the file, lest it not be there when someone comes to claim it. But when money from illegal immigrants comes in under false or stolen identities, they're not likely to come back and claim it.

Experts like Jones believe the federal government comes out ahead when it comes to illegal immigrants. "For the most part the federal government gets more in the form of tax payments from undocumented workers than they pay out in the form of benefits." It's the states, like Colorado which pay the price of emergency medical services and education mandated by the federal government. (See our Tough Question pieces on immigration from last year.)

Baca believes it's a way immigrants pay the price for living in the shadows.

"They are being taxed as a result of being in the United States without the appropriate documents."

With Social Security looking at insolvency in the decades ahead, expect debate about the earnings suspense file and whether that money should be held -- on paper -- for people who are unlikely ever to claim it.

http://cbs4denver.com/goodquestion/I....2.560582.html


So when driving on a newly built road in your area, say thanks to the illegal immigrant.
It's always sort of interesting, actually not really, to try to guess which particular pro illegal OBL activist group a poster is being paid to work for. Their obvious agenda always eventually gives clues.

That Social Security suspense fund should obviously applied to the following cost of illegals to the US.

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1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year.
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2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English!
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...01/ldt.01.html

5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...01/ldt.01.html

6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...01/ldt.01.html

7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...01/ldt.01.html

8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & social services by the American taxpayers.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...01/ldt.01.html

9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...01/ldt.01.html

10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that’s two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...12/ldt.01.html

11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroine and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border.

Homeland Security Report
http://www.house.gov/mccaul/pdf/Inve...der-Report.pdf

12. The National Policy Institute, ‘estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.’
http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.o...?b=deportation

13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin.
http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm

14. ‘The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States’.
http://www.drdsk.com/articles.html#Illegals

The total cost is a whooping $ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR !
Sorry, there wasn't anything left over to build any new roads.
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