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You may disagree, but this is part of the problem. Our laws need to be changed here in the U.S.
let me start by saying your right secondly Mak can have an opinion but she's Australian so it's not as important
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News flash homie: there are many here who want their children to be born here but it is the same number of people who wish their children were born in there country. The constitution states clearly that anyone born in this country is a citizen entitled to unalienable rights and equal protection under the law. It never had a clause stating that the birth parents had to be of a certain ethnicity or origin. I really don't like your idea since my birth was under similar circumstances. My mom's visa expired right before my birth and my father became an American citizen about 4 yrs before to technically under your idea I would have been an illegal immigrant. I can see where you are coming from but at the same time this can lead to abuses and exploitation later causes all immigrant children to not become citizens.
Every issue comes down to whose ox is being gored doesn't it? Never what is good for America. 300,000 anchor babies born each year to illegal aliens. All of those anchor babies will qualify for welfare until they're 18 years old. Then when these anchor babies reach 21, they can sponsor their illegal parents, then because of absurd chain migration policies they can sponsor who knows who. That's anchor baby industry abuse and it needs to end.
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I think the child should be a citizen. Why should the child suffer for the sins of its parents. The constitution says that any child born here is citizen of the state. The whole concept of this was to assure everyone who was born in this country equal rights under the law no matter the circumstances. Yes there are much more illegal immigrants in this country now than ever before but that is because we put a lot more restrictions on how many people can come to this country. In 1890-1920 there were little restriction on who could come to this country so millions upon millions came to this country to avoid poverty and hunger. Today's immigration is no different than that of the 1890s but now we have put sever restriction on who can come to this country so many are forced by poverty and hunger to come to this country illegally. The child of the immigrants during the 1890s are no different than the children born today, both should enjoy there rights as American citizens. To me the most important part of America is the concept of unalienable right and equality under the law. No one born in this country should be denied those rights.
You forget the United States was in the middle of an industrial revolution in those days there were plenty of jobs that needed filling. Today is a vastly different story, most manufacturing jobs have been outsourced overseas. There simply aren't enough jobs for unskilled uneducated workers like in the early 1900's. So today's immigration IS vastly different as todays immigrants are likely to end up on public assistance that didn't exist back then. Back then they would starve if there were no jobs, today they come here rest assured they will be taken care of at the taxpayers expense.

To allow that is wrong as an enabler of an alcoholic family member. We enable them to run from their countries that are cesspools of corruption headed by tin pot dictators, there by enabling the situation to perpetuate itself. If there was nowhere for them to go, they might get angry enough to make the fundamental changes in their own country's system that has created the situation they want to run from. Freedom and prosperity are never free, that road is paved with brave souls willing to stand up and fight and possibly die for it. There is no short cut, no easy way, only an escape route if we choose to provide it and that is a bankrupt philosophy as it does nothing to rectify the original problem. Even if it means a civil war in their country where many perish, if the outcome is a thriving and prosperous democracy, then like our own Revolutionary War, it would be well worth it.
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You forget the United States was in the middle of an industrial revolution in those days there were plenty of jobs that needed filling. Today is a vastly different story, most manufacturing jobs have been outsourced overseas. There simply aren't enough jobs for unskilled uneducated workers like in the early 1900's. So today's immigration IS vastly different as todays immigrants are likely to end up on public assistance that didn't exist back then. Back then they would starve if there were no jobs, today they come here rest assured they will be taken care of at the taxpayers expense.


The U.S. unemployment rate through out the 90s has been hovering around 5%. That is unheard of in American history. Also during this time the flow of migration to this country legal and illegal as also grown substantially. The argument that immigration as driving up the unemployment rate has no statistic merit.





To allow that is wrong as an enabler of an alcoholic family member. We enable them to run from their countries that are cesspools of corruption headed by tin pot dictators, there by enabling the situation to perpetuate itself. If there was nowhere for them to go, they might get angry enough to make the fundamental changes in their own country's system that has created the situation they want to run from. Freedom and prosperity are never free, that road is paved with brave souls willing to stand up and fight and possibly die for it. There is no short cut, no easy way, only an escape route if we choose to provide it and that is a bankrupt philosophy as it does nothing to rectify the original problem. Even if it means a civil war in their country where many perish, if the outcome is a thriving and prosperous democracy, then like our own Revolutionary War, it would be well worth it.



They came here the same reason why the Germans, Irish, and Italians came here. They were simply minded people that just wanted a better life. If you haven't notice many of those tin-pot dictators rule with an iron fist and anyone who publicly denounces them get sent to prison. My father was imprisoned for more than month because he took part in massive rally against the dictator of Bolivia (who I might add had American support). Some of this friends were never seen again after they protested.
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This has been discussed before, and I disagree.
If the child is born in the US, that child is a US citizen, whether the mother is illegal or not.
I have seen the effects of this policy and I wholly disagree with you, Makey. All it does is encourage further massive illegal immigration, and it creates a generation devoid of scholastic achievement or desire.
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I have seen the effects of this policy and I wholly disagree with you, Makey. All it does is encourage further massive illegal immigration, and it creates a generation devoid of scholastic achievement or desire.

How? I've grown up with plenty of people who had one or 2 parents illegal when they were born and many are upstanding citizens, serving in the marines, and/or going to college.
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How? I've grown up with plenty of people who had one or 2 parents illegal when they were born and many are upstanding citizens, serving in the marines, and/or going to college.
I'm glad my experience is localized. I have known many kids from the Mexicans down here in California that are proud of having dropped out of high school and are proud of working entry-level (but dead-end for them) jobs because they can say that they are working hard. They try to get around the system by falsifying their tax information because they feel zero allegiance to the United States of America.
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I'm glad my experience is localized. I have known many kids from the Mexicans down here in California that are proud of having dropped out of high school and are proud of working entry-level (but dead-end for them) jobs because they can say that they are working hard. They try to get around the system by falsifying their tax information because they feel zero allegiance to the United States of America.

Funny, I see that same pattern in many non-Latino dropouts. Maybe all high school dropouts are secretly Mexican and they don't want tell anyone.

Stop using ethnicity as a factor and start using economic conditions.
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Funny, I see that same pattern in many non-Latino dropouts. Maybe all high school dropouts are secretly Mexican and they don't want tell anyone.

Stop using ethnicity as a factor and start using economic conditions.
Why don't I blame the people themselves? They are creating their poor economic conditions by not going to college and striving for more than what they have.
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Why don't I blame the people themselves? They are creating their poor economic conditions by not going to college and striving for more than what they have.
The reason is that ppl don't understand the importance of college. My parents attended and graduated college in their country so they understood the importance of an education. Many of these immigrants never attended college or even finished high school so they don't pressure or push their children to pursue a degree. The best pressure on a child is pressure from the parent. One example to illustrated this vividly is that I have a friend who is from Greenpoint area of Houston (crime-ridden area) who is attending college (University of Houston). His mom told him the other day that being in college doesn't make you a good person. A Parent who attended college understand the difference the differences of an educated and non-educated person.
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