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In addition to enforcing our immigration laws that we already have in place, another way to help stop illegal aliens from jumping the border is to change the law, so that if a pregnant woman that is illegal gives birth in the United States, that child is not automatically a citizen. The parent was illegal, so the child should be illegal. Stop the incentive of sneaking into the U.S.
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In addition to enforcing our immigration laws that we already have in place, another way to help stop illegal aliens from jumping the border is to change the law, so that if a pregnant woman that is illegal gives birth in the United States, that child is not automatically a citizen. The parent was illegal, so the child should be illegal. Stop the incentive of sneaking into the U.S.
This has been discussed before, and I disagree.
If the child is born in the US, that child is a US citizen, whether the mother is illegal or not.
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In addition to enforcing our immigration laws that we already have in place, another way to help stop illegal aliens from jumping the border is to change the law, so that if a pregnant woman that is illegal gives birth in the United States, that child is not automatically a citizen. The parent was illegal, so the child should be illegal. Stop the incentive of sneaking into the U.S.
Agree; but the problem is, it would take a constitutional amendment to make the change. Still, it needs to be done.
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This has been discussed before, and I disagree.
If the child is born in the US, that child is a US citizen, whether the mother is illegal or not.
You may disagree, but this is part of the problem. Our laws need to be changed here in the U.S.
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In addition to enforcing our immigration laws that we already have in place, another way to help stop illegal aliens from jumping the border is to change the law, so that if a pregnant woman that is illegal gives birth in the United States, that child is not automatically a citizen. The parent was illegal, so the child should be illegal. Stop the incentive of sneaking into the U.S.
Oh yes, the law needs to be changed. 300,000 anchor babies born each year to illegals attest to this fact. The anchor baby abuse industry isn't likely to be changed anytime soon as Democratic politicians view anchor babies as future Democratic voters.
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This has been discussed before, and I disagree.
If the child is born in the US, that child is a US citizen, whether the mother is illegal or not.
That's pretty funny coming from someone surrounded on all sides by vast expanses of water.

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I think the child should be a citizen. Why should the child suffer for the sins of its parents. The constitution says that any child born here is citizen of the state. The whole concept of this was to assure everyone who was born in this country equal rights under the law no matter the circumstances. Yes there are much more illegal immigrants in this country now than ever before but that is because we put a lot more restrictions on how many people can come to this country. In 1890-1920 there were little restriction on who could come to this country so millions upon millions came to this country to avoid poverty and hunger. Today's immigration is no different than that of the 1890s but now we have put sever restriction on who can come to this country so many are forced by poverty and hunger to come to this country illegally. The child of the immigrants during the 1890s are no different than the children born today, both should enjoy there rights as American citizens. To me the most important part of America is the concept of unalienable right and equality under the law. No one born in this country should be denied those rights.
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I agree with that this needs to change. We had a thread on this a few months back as well. I'll see if I can some links I posted in that one.
The US is one of the few western countries still allowing this.
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I think the child should be a citizen. Why should the child suffer for the sins of its parents. The constitution says that any child born here is citizen of the state. The whole concept of this was to assure everyone who was born in this country equal rights under the law no matter the circumstances. Yes there are much more illegal immigrants in this country now than ever before but that is because we put a lot more restrictions on how many people can come to this country. In 1890-1920 there were little restriction on who could come to this country so millions upon millions came to this country to avoid poverty and hunger. Today's immigration is no different than that of the 1890s but now we have put sever restriction on who can come to this country so many are forced by poverty and hunger to come to this country illegally. The child of the immigrants during the 1890s are no different than the children born today, both should enjoy there rights as American citizens. To me the most important part of America is the concept of unalienable right and equality under the law. No one born in this country should be denied those rights.
The 14th amendment must start being interpreted like it was always meant to be. Children born to parents who are both illegal aliens must not become automatic citizens. Just common sense. If the mother of the child is a US citizen, even though the father is illegal, I could go along with letting the child be an automatic US citizen. If the father of the child is a citizen and the mother is illegal, no way does the child get to become an automatic citizen.

To put it bluntly, there would be too many illegal hispanic women running around trying to get knocked up by an American citizen, while American women are far more responsible enough to not get knocked up by an illegal.
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The 14th amendment must start being interpreted like it was always meant to be. Children born to parents who are both illegal aliens must not become automatic citizens. Just common sense. If the mother of the child is a US citizen, even though the father is illegal, I could go along with letting the child be an automatic US citizen. If the father of the child is a citizen and the mother is illegal, no way does the child get to become an automatic citizen.

To put it bluntly, there would be too many illegal hispanic women running around trying to get knocked up by an American citizen, while American women are far more responsible enough to not get knocked up by an illegal.

News flash homie: there are many here who want their children to be born here but it is the same number of people who wish their children were born in there country. The constitution states clearly that anyone born in this country is a citizen entitled to unalienable rights and equal protection under the law. It never had a clause stating that the birth parents had to be of a certain ethnicity or origin. I really don't like your idea since my birth was under similar circumstances. My mom's visa expired right before my birth and my father became an American citizen about 4 yrs before to technically under your idea I would have been an illegal immigrant. I can see where you are coming from but at the same time this can lead to abuses and exploitation later causes all immigrant children to not become citizens.
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