To migrate and to work to ean one's own living is a natural right. To settle down on any place is a basic human right. Any attemp to the block the free flow of people are against the basic human right. And therefore it's one of the human rights violation.

Immigrants legal or illegal, have done nothing to be blamed. Quite on the countrary, they contribute greatly to America. America was built by immigrants.

If America's army can go anywhere they want, why can not people from all over the world come to America? At least they are hard-working people who are able to support themselve and who are not killing machines.

There's a pair of crack whores at your door. They want to use your bathroom and your ChapStick. If you don't let them in, that's a human rights violation and you are a bad person.

Obviously you're never heard of the Salvadorean MS-13 gangs, for starters. Yeah, they're a great present from overseas. What would we do without their armed robberies to keep us on our feet?

Your way is not even OK if you lived in a forest. I would change your worldview immediately. I'm surprised you are still alive. How old are you, 6?

Criticizing America is for grown-ups. Run along, now. Mommy wants you off the computer. Go outside and play.

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Two "no's" make a "yes". Can't argue with math.

Let's see what's in your analysis. Did any immigrants (legal/illegal) attempt to use your bathroom or Chapstick? I understand you were alluding to "robbery". Immigrants did not live by robbery. They exchange their hard labor for life necessities. And what they've done is desired and beneficial to the society. They can support themselves and their families by decent means, althrough they're discriminated/incriminated against.

Obviously, there are always rotton apples in a large group. Are you going to blame the high crime rate on those immigrants? Show me the facts that demonstrates higher crime rates exist with immigrants. I will not be surprised that you will actually find out the opposite is true.

Now the human rights. It is the fundamental rights for anyone to move freely in the world. If you're self-preserving and not desire to be bothered, that is your holly right, and you should be given the necessary resources enough for your self-preservation and procreation. But you can not on the one hand trade with, exploit, occupy, murdur, torture, in one word, screw the rest of the world, on the other refuse the people their holy right to flee their destroyed home for personal betterment. We call it hypocrisy and human rights violation.

There are families that come here illegally, earn a decent living, and stay out of trouble. Then there are these assclowns.

In Los Angeles, 95 percent of all outstanding warrants for homicide (which total 1,200 to 1,500) target illegal aliens. Up to two-thirds of all fugitive felony warrants (17,000) are for illegal aliens.

A confidential California Department of Justice study reported in 1995 that 60 percent of the 20,000-strong 18th Street Gang in southern California is illegal; police officers say the proportion is actually much greater. The bloody gang collaborates with the Mexican Mafia, the dominant force in California prisons, on complex drug-distribution schemes, extortion, and drive-by assassinations, and commits an assault or robbery every day in L.A. County. The gang has grown dramatically over the last two decades by recruiting recently arrived youngsters, most of them illegal, from Central America and Mexico.

The leadership of the Columbia Lil’ Cycos gang, which uses murder and racketeering to control the drug market around L.A.’s MacArthur Park, was about 60 percent illegal in 2002, says former assistant U.S. attorney Luis Li. Francisco Martinez, a Mexican Mafia member and an illegal alien, controlled the gang from prison, while serving time for felonious reentry following deportation. http://www.city-journal.org/html/14_...gal_alien.html

And that's just in L.A., let alone the rest of the country. It's not on our agenda to differentiate between the hard-working folk who stay under the radar and the vermin who perpetrate violence and crime because, for one thing, if you are illegal, you are virtually untraceable, and also, the word "illegal" attached to that definition means they're breaking the law from the get-go. Oh, and by the way, I'm not surprised.

I don't know where you get these sanctimonious delusions, but let me just set you straight: If you're not a citizen, we don't owe you jack, except for, as of June, habeas corpus, which is nonsensical (how do you "have the body" of someone who does not exist in your territory?). Anyway, you get no Welfare, you get no Social Security... you can't even be bailed from jail.

About the "holy right" (?) pablum, I'm "self-preserving" and I don't want to be "bothered", but that doesn't mean God is going to send me down a f*ckin' cheeseburger. You also have never heard of the doctrine of "separation of church and state", so there's nothing "holy" about sneaking into our country. I can't believe I had to say that.

Finally, with regards to the libelous accusation of our propensity to "exploit, occupy, murdur, torture, in one word, screw the rest of the world, on the other refuse the people their holy right to flee their destroyed home for personal betterment", I have two things to say.

One, if your house is destroyed and you are trying to come here, five will get you ten we had nothing to do with it, yet you're essentially calling us a bunch of pr!cks. Obviously, you need to get your head screwed on straight.

And two, we need another anti-American-smack-talking-while-at-the-same-time-bleeding-our-system-parasite like we need a hole in the head. You're not welcome.

Stick that in your Amnesty International pipe and smoke it.

Over and out.

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Two "no's" make a "yes". Can't argue with math.

Addendum: The originator of this thread lumped illegal and legal immigrants together without differentiation.

Legal immigrants (i.e. citizens) and those with valid "green cards" and student or work visas are welcome as long as there follows no infringement upon the health, wealth and welfare of the American populace.

The attempted spin on the OP's argument was to make it appear as though I am against immigration, yet I did not fall for it and simply spoke exclusively about illegal immigrants who harbor ill intent upon their arrival.

Those who wish to go to [insert country here] would be wont to immigrate legally; entities providing employment who are willing to pay untaxed earnings also potentially have the turpitude to run oppressive workplaces. Citizenry is a bastion against any discrimination with regards to wages or working conditions and summarily provides legal recourse should unsavory conditions be present.

I would emigrate legally to [insert country here] should I choose to move to that location. The benefits (in America, just speaking for us again) literally outweigh the time spent to endure the legal process, and the peace of having neither the immigrant nor, most importantly, his or her progeny have to suffer the unrest of illegal status is not something to which a price can be affixed.

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Two "no's" make a "yes". Can't argue with math.

But what about a wealthy nation's right to self-determine their own identity, even if it is on racial, ethnic, cultural or religious grounds? Maybe it is the wealthy nation's freedom that is being violated, and it is their society, through immigration, which is being irrevociably changed.

Of course, people who do choose to migrate are not to blame for anything - they are just people trying to make a living etc....

In purely altruistic terms you are correct. In practical terms, however, you are not. Our ancestors formed this country, passed it on to us, and we will then pass it on to our successors. We live according to the laws that they founded. We certainly do have the right and responsibility to decide who and how many people we allow to immigrate and make rules as to how immigration is handled. Uncontrolled immigration would allow criminals from other countries to come here for no other purpose than to prey on our citizens. Also, if enough immigrants move here, things could get to a saturation point that our society and economy would be so overburdened to that our citizens would be denied employment and services such as medical care and education.

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I feel sorry for people who can only see black and white in a full color world.

Your analogy is basically correct if a bit condescending in tone. However, MS-13 originated in LA, not El Salvador.

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I feel sorry for people who can only see black and white in a full color world.

That's a load of bull(*)(*)(*)(*). When a people form a society, they have every right to determine the direction of that society.

Anyone who tries to migrate into that society unwelcome is a foreign invader.

There is no fundamental right for people to be able to invade other peoples. Would you defend the Europeans right to invade and colonize Africa in the 18th and 19th century? After all they were just migrating to better themselves.

Case in point: Invaders often directly harm the society they try to invade, as such that society has every right to defend their way of life.

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you have a lot to learn about "illegal aliens" zhang......most countries have immigration laws that they actually enforce,ESPECIALLY Mexico.....