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Have you heard of rhetorical questions? Continue with your misguided opinion.
I have heard of rhetorical questions. They mean that you are unwilling to change.
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The problem with illegal immigrants is not that they are here using our resources. The problem is that they are using our resources without contributing anything... read on at Illegal Immigrants, Problems and Solutions and tell me what you guys think about the issue.

Making them leave is fine, but making them contribute works just as well. I say we work on both.
So you think letting people who don't even read or write their own language is good for America? I don't.

So you think letting people who don't obey the Law of this country is a good idea? I don't.

So you think letting people in to this country after they already showed zero respect for our laws, and they won't respect any of our other laws, is a good idea? I don't

So you think we need people from other countries to illegally come here and displace people that are Citizens or legally here in the work force. I don't

And people that support criminal illegal aliens are traitors to this country.

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As I have said many times we can not reward illegals , we need to punish the businesses who hire these people , illegals should not get ANY public assistance. Our VISA system needs fixing.
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I have heard of rhetorical questions. They mean that you are unwilling to change.
Are you sure your not defining your own mentality?
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As I have said many times we can not reward illegals , we need to punish the businesses who hire these people , illegals should not get ANY public assistance. Our VISA system needs fixing.
I know, we should punish people for providing for their family and improving our economy. That is such a crime!
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I know, we should punish people for providing for their family and improving our economy. That is such a crime!
Please show some empirical evidence they improve our economy over and above what they drain from it.
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Please show some empirical evidence they improve our economy over and above what they drain from it.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...toryId=5312900

Nearly 12 million illegal immigrants are estimated to be living in the United States. The vast majority work in low-skill, low-wage jobs. More than half work in construction, manufacturing or leisure and hospitality.

Advocates on both sides of the immigration debate predict dramatic change if illegal immigration is drastically curtailed. Supporters of a crackdown argue that the U.S. economy would benefit if illegal immigrants were to leave, because U.S. employers would be forced to raise wages to attract American workers. Critics of this approach say the loss of illegal immigrants would stall the U.S. economy, saying undocumented workers do many jobs few native-born Americans will do. NPR business correspondent Adam Davidson explores the issue.

(i would like to point out that increasing wages would drastically hurt the economy because companies would not be able to compete with forgien companies. This would cause further outsourcing. If the government made more tariffs to make companies better able to compete, the prices of many products would increase.)

Q: How do illegal immigrants affect the overall U.S. economy?


Illegal immigration has both negative and positive impacts on different parts of the economy. As noted above, wages for low-skilled workers go down. But that means the rest of America benefits by paying lower prices for things like restaurant meals, agricultural produce and construction. Another negative impact is on government expenditures. Since undocumented workers generally don't pay income taxes but do use schools and other government services, they are seen as a drain on government spending.


There are places in the United States where illegal immigration has big effects (both positive and negative). But economists generally believe that when averaged over the whole economy, the effect is a small net positive. Harvard's George Borjas says the average American's wealth is increased by less than 1 percent because of illegal immigration.


The economic impact of illegal immigration is far smaller than other trends in the economy, such as the increasing use of automation in manufacturing or the growth in global trade. Those two factors have a much bigger impact on wages, prices and the health of the U.S. economy.
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Nearly 12 million illegal immigrants are estimated to be living in the United States. The vast majority work in low-skill, low-wage jobs. More than half work in construction, manufacturing or leisure and hospitality.

Advocates on both sides of the immigration debate predict dramatic change if illegal immigration is drastically curtailed. Supporters of a crackdown argue that the U.S. economy would benefit if illegal immigrants were to leave, because U.S. employers would be forced to raise wages to attract American workers. Critics of this approach say the loss of illegal immigrants would stall the U.S. economy, saying undocumented workers do many jobs few native-born Americans will do. NPR business correspondent Adam Davidson explores the issue.

(i would like to point out that increasing wages would drastically hurt the economy because companies would not be able to compete with forgien companies. This would cause further outsourcing. If the government made more tariffs to make companies better able to compete, the prices of many products would increase.)

Q: How do illegal immigrants affect the overall U.S. economy?


Illegal immigration has both negative and positive impacts on different parts of the economy. As noted above, wages for low-skilled workers go down. But that means the rest of America benefits by paying lower prices for things like restaurant meals, agricultural produce and construction. Another negative impact is on government expenditures. Since undocumented workers generally don't pay income taxes but do use schools and other government services, they are seen as a drain on government spending.


There are places in the United States where illegal immigration has big effects (both positive and negative). But economists generally believe that when averaged over the whole economy, the effect is a small net positive. Harvard's George Borjas says the average American's wealth is increased by less than 1 percent because of illegal immigration.


The economic impact of illegal immigration is far smaller than other trends in the economy, such as the increasing use of automation in manufacturing or the growth in global trade. Those two factors have a much bigger impact on wages, prices and the health of the U.S. economy.
I asked for empirical evidence not an opinion piece. This would involve data to formulate conclusions.

http://www.cis.org/articles/2006/sac...ony082406.html
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I asked for empirical evidence not an opinion piece. This would involve data to formulate conclusions.

http://www.cis.org/articles/2006/sac...ony082406.html
that had supporting evidence but here is another site

http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServe...suecenters7443
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The annual net cost of illegal immigrants (after subtracting their tax payments) to the American taxpayer is likely to be more than $45 billion. Our recent study of the net fiscal “Costs of illegal immigration to Californians” estimated the partial costs at $10.5 billion in that state alone.

http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServe...suecenters7443
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Fewer Latino Immigrants Sending Money Home

By JULIA PRESTON
Published: May 1, 2008

In a sign that the economic downturn is hitting hard among Latino immigrants, more than three million of them stopped sending money to families in their home countries during the last two years, the Inter-American Development Bank said on Wednesday.

For Latin America as a whole, the amount of the money transfers, which are known as remittances, remained virtually flat over the last two years, the development bank reported. It estimated total remittances to the region at $45.9 billion in 2008, an increase of $500 million over 2006.

That contrasts with the period from 2001 to 2006, when the amount of remittances to the region tripled, to $45 billion from $15 billion, according to figures from the development bank, a multilateral organization based in Washington that finances development projects in Latin America. Total remittances did not drop more sharply in the last two years because those immigrants who continued to send money sent larger amounts more frequently, the bank’s survey found.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/01/us/01immigration.html
That's a $90 Billion dollar net loss to our economy after the ones paying taxes pay. No benefit to the country, except to the employers using them like slave labor, can out weigh the costs.
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